Scv8

[bramble]

If Team Dynamics, Team Varta and VLM are runnign SCV8 cars next year - will they still be makign a BTCC appearance?

[cos]

Team Dynamics won't have bought 2 Honda Civic Type-Rs for nothing... VLR are big enough to manage more than one motorsport series at a time (don't forget they did the Porsche cup amongst other things this year) and will probably carry on; question mark over Varta though.

[ATF]

I would have thought Varta would be committed to the BTCC after already announcing they were updating their 307s to ETCC and looking for 2 cars to run alongside them - maybe these are the 2 cars!!!

[Craig Antill]

The 307s are NOT eligable under ETCC regs. They could, theoretically, be converted to BTCC regs but this is likely to be too costly and they will likely be even less competitive than the VLR BTCC spec cars, so there's little point in bothering when there are a number of ex-works cars available for less money than it'd cost to convert.

[Alan]

I thought that it was not too difficult to convert Production cars to ETCC spec (ie 307's and Honda Civic's).

That was certainly put forward as an option earlier in the year. Maybe I missed something though!:D

[Craig Antill]

Yes, but the 307s do NOT meet the ETCC regs - despite what some people might want to believe.

[cos]

Originally posted by Craig Antill
Yes, but the 307s do NOT meet the ETCC regs - despite what some people might want to believe.

So when Mr Batchelor said that he was planning to convert the 307s to ETC-spec for 2004 he was... mistaken?

[Craig Antill]

I belive that Mr Batchelor listened a little too closely to Mr Lee when he said that the cars would be accepted... ;)

[Jamie P-E]

Why dosent the 307 meet the etcc regs. It's no bigger that any other car out there.

[Craig Antill]

1/ It's too short - ETCC requires 4.2m minimum rather than 4.1m per BTCC technical regs
2/ It has only got two doors - ETCC tech regs require 4 or 5
3/ It has not been put up for homologation by Peugeot as the ETCC regs demand

[Jamie P-E]

Craig,

You are wrong on at least two points. The 307 is available as a 3 or a 5 door and i am sure that it's not too short. I can't be corrected on this as I work for Peugeot and secondly the car is not too short the stardard car length is 4.2m so it is eligible for the ETCC and if there enough demand for it then Peugeot may consider it.


Hope that Puts the record straight

[cos]

Originally posted by Craig Antill

2/ It has only got two doors - ETCC tech regs require 4 or 5

Are you sure? If so someone should tell Barwell to stick another 2 doors on their Civics...

[Craig Antill]

I'm well aware that it's available with five doors - but we're talking about converting the existing production spec cars here - and those, I'm afraid, only have three doors ;)

Can't help you on the length of the cars, I'm afraid, as the Peugeot website is so poor. According to a third party website it is 4202mm so I guess it depends if it's measured the same by the scrutineers but I was told most definately by Twatch that it fails to meet the requirements.

In any case the other two points would prevent that car from being entered. The only option, as I say, would be to convert the cars to BTC-T spec but that is not worth the effort so I'm told.

[Craig Antill]

Originally posted by cos
Are you sure? If so someone should tell Barwell to stick another 2 doors on their Civics...

Ah, this is my major problem with the ETCC - they have allowed the Civic to enter despite the fact it doesn't meet the technical regs. This is a ridiculous scenario and you can understand people being confused and upset that a similar car will not be allowed to bypass the same rules. But, really, it was never gonna happen that the 307 would be let in as well.

[Jamie P-E]

the race cars can be 3 or 5 door it's just that everyone chooses the 3dr. I am aware that in the Argentina TC2000 series there will be a 5dr 307 racing. I am 100% positiveregarding the length as i have to know that as part of my job (look at my profile)

[Craig Antill]

Yes but, again, you're overlooking the fact we're talking about CONVERTING EXISTING cars. Those cars have THREE DOORS!

Maybe you should post a question for Alan Gow on his forum and ask if the cars are eligable and, if not, why?

[Jamie P-E]

Craig: I can confirm that the only problem with the 307 is that as you said they are only being raced in 3dr configuration. The length of the car is not a problem (official Length is 4.202m)

I understand fully what you are saying i was only trying to say that the car can run in the etcc spec with it's size

[Craig Antill]

Jamies - you might be able to answer a question for me actually... what size is the five door body and are they interchangeable...? One idea I heard bandied around was that the team may acquire two 5 door shells?

Mind you I presume that this would not be permitted as it'd be classed as a 'modification' of the original car?

[Jamie P-E]

As far as I am aware the 3dr and 5dr are two different shell. If you see a 3dr and a 5dr together you will notice that the front doors on the 3dr are a hell of a lot bigger than a 5dr. So I would have to say it one or the other not fuse 2 together.

hope that helps

[Craig Antill]

Yes I know that they're two very different looking body shells - hence the doubt that it was a simple case of lifting one body shell off and fitting the five door version (as Twatch suggested!!!)

[Moderator 2]

OK guys - I think that is enough. Apart from the fact that this thread is supposed to be about SCV8 you don't seem to be getting anywhere in this discussion about the 307.

If the thread gets back on topic I will leave it open. Otherwise....:eek:

[Craig Antill]

Yeah, my apologies. Jamie maybe we should take it to another forum dude?

[Jamie P-E]

Yeah Probably abit OTT, Just shows how much Pug expect me to know!!!!!!