Hks D1

[blitz52]

Ive heard that the HKS D1 sylvia is going to be at brands hatch, do you know if its gonna be at all the rounds, and on what day?

cheers
Ed

[teletubby]

Pardon? :confused:

[Cleland Fan]

That'll be the drift car that was at Donington or at least one like it.

[blitz52]

Yeah thats the one, being brought over from Japan by HKS europe, any ideas?

[Grip]

thought that thing only existed in Playstation Gran Tourismo.....

[blitz52]

Thankfully not, the one in GT is modelled on the real thing (i think). Anyways, I found out the info I was looking for. If you're interested (which you should be, its an amazing machine) it'll be at;

4/5 June Brands Hatch (Indy)
23/24 July Mondello Park
6/7 August Snetterton
27/28 August Knockhill
17/18 September Silverstone (National)
1/2 October Brands Hatch (GP)

Apparantly with a mystery driver from Japan, def worth checking out!!

[psq43]

Maximum entertainment! Me and my entourage thouroughly enjoyed it at Donington, watching the Chav-Wagon doing the same as a well driven M3 can do except of course it takes a special kind of chav to loose it at Mcleans in a car designed to drift!! lol

Dunno if any of you noticed that! Was great to take the piss out of, and he was a little less full of himself and his burnouts for the next few laps!

[Tizercat]

Maximum entertainment! Me and my entourage thouroughly enjoyed it at Donington, watching the Chav-Wagon doing the same as a well driven M3 can do except of course it takes a special kind of chav to loose it at Mcleans in a car designed to drift!! lol

How many chav wagons do you know that are 400 kg's lighter than a standard car producing over 480 bhp with a sequential box? I think maybe you should take a look at the machninery involved before labelling it.

I'm guessing that you have extensive experience of drifitng. He didn't do too bad for a guy who didn't get any testing on the circuit. Did you see what he did at Rockingham between two concrete walls? :rolleyes:

[psq43]

How many chav wagons do you know that are 400 kg's lighter than a standard car producing over 480 bhp with a sequential box? I think maybe you should take a look at the machninery involved before labelling it.

I'm guessing that you have extensive experience of drifitng. He didn't do too bad for a guy who didn't get any testing on the circuit. Did you see what he did at Rockingham between two concrete walls? :rolleyes:


Was not actually refering to the car as such but more the kind of people whom are attracted to it and the lack of entertainment it offered!!

Obviously major testing time is required to pootle about at 5mph pausing to light back tyres up a few times!

Rockingham? let me guess, went round in circles with back tyres doing good pavarotti impression a few times! Hardly a variety stunt show is it, and no, i know its not meant to be, thats why its called the drift... blah blah blah

Christ man, dont take stuff so serious or your last thought as you lay on your death bed preparing to leave this mortal coil will be "god i was a grumpy ******"!

Let me guess.....

[psq43]

Oh and I'm sure that the designers had a better purpose in mind when they came up with it! Lot of expense just to blunt a few tyres! Give me a car park and i can burnt out the tyres on the boy across the roads BMX if you give me a few hours!

[Tizercat]

Ignorance is bliss eh?

5mph drifts, not sure what you where watching at Donington :confused:

:rolleyes:

[psq43]

Ignorance is bliss eh?

5mph drifts, not sure what you where watching at Donington :confused:

:rolleyes:


Ignorance, so it seems in your case!!! Ever heard of "exagerating to make the point"?? Naturally only a complete buffoon would say, and mean, that he was going 5 mph, when in reality it was a bit quicker! But would rather see the thing go round at a proper speed and show us what it can do as the manufacturer intended, rather than be treated to a repetitive and rather juvenile semi-stunt show!

Am quite confused as to why you made your "ignorance is bliss" comment, seems very apt to reverse it onto yourself! Naturally, if your a smart boy then I wont need to explain why!

[Moderator 2]

Excuse me folks!

This has all the makings of getting a bit personal - don't let it please!

Thanks

[psq43]

No worries mod! I only go for the posts, not the jugular! lol

Character re-adjustment taken on board!

[Reidy_fan]

have to admit the drifting demo at Donington was a bit boring, reckon its just a waste of tyres and fuel. For some entertainment in the lunch break whatabout something funny a short caravan race for example or a 2cv race (sorry Alan G) something that gets us fans laughing into our baked potatoes and burgers

[kevin ritson]

Well I for one enjoyed the display at Donington. It's good to have something going on during the break for those that don't fancy braving the pit-lane crowds or want to keep a decent spot for the races. Usually I use the time to delve into the current week's Autosport but it's good to have a track distraction as well.

As sliding in racing situations gets rarer by the year, it's great to have a bit of old-fashioned oversteer, I remember the nutter in the Legend being popular in the recent past and at an F3 event years ago Russ Swift provided some fine entertainment. It's a welcome bonus to the main show and if you're not paying to see it, why worry? I'd rather this than nothing at all.

Good of team Dynamics to promote the Japanese car scene, adds extra dimension to their use of Integras, promotes a new (inexpensive) form of motorsport and there's always been something a bit more interesting about their way of doing things - not quite so "Southend" if you catch my...er...drift.

[tumbleweed]

drifting is one of the fastest growing motorsports in this country and its good that they are advertising it in one of the uk's top motorsport series its started off very small 3years ago to be coming very popular

i'm really into the jap car thing and with team dynamics running two import dc5's and hks bringing the drift car to rounds is top for the sceen(sp?)

check out the websites around for the drifting driftworks.com is one also theres a event at rokingham on the 25th of june see gtbattle.com for details which is bringing the top drifters in the country there and some of the quickest road cars in the country

worth a look

rich

[Safety String]

I caught the drift thing between getting lunch and getting the next safety car ready.

He seemed to have a good deal of skill, and a majority of the crowd seemed to like it.

But I have to say, I can't see a lot of point in it, a bit like the nova-boy-racers! spend a shed load of money on your car for know other reason than they think that the girls love it!

However I did see the driver, very much like a guy out of one of those fast n furious movies! now that was worth it, nice to see somebody actually dresses like that for real! :D

[Jamie P-E]

I caught the drift thing between getting lunch and getting the next safety car ready.

He seemed to have a good deal of skill, and a majority of the crowd seemed to like it.

But I have to say, I can't see a lot of point in it, a bit like the nova-boy-racers! spend a shed load of money on your car for know other reason than they think that the girls love it!

However I did see the driver, very much like a guy out of one of those fast n furious movies! now that was worth it, nice to see somebody actually dresses like that for real! :D


Scott

why dont u have a go now that would be a giggle

[Les]

Scott

why dont u have a go now that would be a giggle

yeah - while taking the grid round! Now that would be fun to watch

[Safety String]

yeah - while taking the grid round! Now that would be fun to watch

Hmmmm! now your giving me ideas!! I wonder how that would go down, the guy who owns the red porsche may be none too impressed, but i suppose I could get someone to distract him. hee, hee! ;)

[Reidy_fan]

are the drivers not meant to follow the safety car so you might get a few of them going sideways :D could always try and see if the theory is true by taking a wee trip onto the grass next time ;)

[Safety String]

No Reidy fan, this years BTCC drivers can't be trusted! they would follow, and Muller would still find a way to get Plato in the poo! :D

[Reidy_fan]

try it with the clios, no perhaps not, to them the grass and gravel is part of the track anyway :D

[psq43]

and Muller would still find a way to get Plato in the poo! :D


Now Now, set a good exaple for the rest of the TOCA staff and show nothing that can be interpreted as bias!!!

Leave that to us lot! He He He!

[psq43]

Wait for it.........

[Editor]

Ahem..... :rolleyes:

[Jamie P-E]

Ahem..... :rolleyes:

Martin Chill out mate were only havin a laugh no insults intended

[Safety String]

Ahem..... :rolleyes:

Hee, hee, hee! I was wondering if you were going to say something at some point! :)

[psq43]

Ahem..... :rolleyes:


Something I said? Or am I getting wrong end of stick?

[Editor]

It was aimed at String! ;)

[Grim]

drifting (as opposed to just spinning the rear wheels) is an extremely skillfull art.

Just as finding the exact braking point, perfect racing line and maximum grip is a skill in producing a fast lap time in normal racing, finding the exact braking point, the perfect line and not enough grip is a skill in drifting.

at silverstone, they are regularly going into drifts at 100mph. same thing at rockingham. and this happens six inches from armco and a concrete wall :eek:

GTBattle at rockingham 25th June will have some of the best drifters IN THE WORLD plus a quarter mile shoot out and a handling couse.

a good day out for motorsport fans.

without blinkers ;)

[psq43]

Suppose will have to put it down to being "an aquired taste" then!

[Safety String]

at silverstone, they are regularly going into drifts at 100mph. same thing at rockingham. and this happens six inches from armco and a concrete wall :eek:





Oh Yer! I used to do all that stuff in FF1600........... out of control obviously, but still at it, I had a puddle in my seat afterwards granted, but still!
:eek:

[Grim]

Suppose will have to put it down to being "an aquired taste" then!

possibly. the perception of drifting as a sport is probably a bit negative because drifting on track is a bit like doing a hand brake turn at McDonnalds. :rolleyes:

But then Santa Pod is a bit like two corsas racing from the lights in the highstreet.

But as with the traffic lights / Santa Pod comparison, it's soon apparant that a lot of these cars are highly modified and the drivers are extremely skillful.

And of course, you only saw a demonstration of a few laps from someone who was new to the track. The competitions are more interesting.

And afterwards the drivers and spectators go down the pub together. Plato doesn't do that very often does he? :D

[Reidy_fan]

right I get you saw something simalar at the stock car racing at Cowdenbeath basically, as you are about to turn into the corner the bloke behind you gives you a nudge in the rear thus putting you sideways, you apply lots of opposite lock to try and hold the car before flooring the throttle and pull out of the slide. Sometimes the bloke nudges you a bit too hard and you hit the wall. Could be cool :cool: :cool:

[psq43]

possibly. the perception of drifting as a sport is probably a bit negative because drifting on track is a bit like doing a hand brake turn at McDonnalds. :rolleyes:

But then Santa Pod is a bit like two corsas racing from the lights in the highstreet.

But as with the traffic lights / Santa Pod comparison, it's soon apparant that a lot of these cars are highly modified and the drivers are extremely skillful.



Forgetting to mention that the corsa/chav/idiot brigade have to pay for their own tyres and petrol (bringing into question their mentality) and that the peice of crap they are using to wow the girls was assembled from a kit from halfords/max power and will break very soon afterwards, while the skill of the high street racers is similar to that of my, as yet, unborn daughter!!!

[allywrx]

Maximum entertainment! Me and my entourage thouroughly enjoyed it at Donington, watching the Chav-Wagon doing the same as a well driven M3 can do except of course it takes a special kind of chav to loose it at Mcleans in a car designed to drift!! lol

Dunno if any of you noticed that! Was great to take the piss out of, and he was a little less full of himself and his burnouts for the next few laps!

Ahh, that word "Chav" again :rolleyes: vastly over used these days.

I don't know about you, but most of the "chavs" round my neck of the woods tend to drive normally aspirated fwd production saloons with halfords stickers plastered up the sides of them. :rolleyes:

Are you possibly one of the "team branded anorak" wearing umbrella holding cliquey british motorsport enthusiasts that are so narrow minded they can't see past their people carrier?

[Safety String]

possibly. the perception of drifting as a sport is probably a bit negative because drifting on track is a bit like doing a hand brake turn at McDonnalds. :rolleyes:

But then Santa Pod is a bit like two corsas racing from the lights in the highstreet.

But as with the traffic lights / Santa Pod comparison, it's soon apparant that a lot of these cars are highly modified and the drivers are extremely skillful.




DRAG RACING............ what skill!! two testosterone filled numptys going fast in a straight line! I can't think of anything more boring! anybody can put there foot down and hold the wheel straight!.... Going fast round corners is far more skillfull! ;)

[Reidy_fan]

while the skill of the high street racers is similar to that of my, as yet, unborn daughter!!!

no need to insult your daughter mate, she cant defend herself yet :D :D

Talking about the chavs, we had a good laugh at Southwaite services on the way back from BTCC at Donington, Saxo pulls in with about half a ton of fiberglass bodykit on it and TBH it looked good nice paint job, says to the boy in it "nice motor mate good paintjob, whats under the bonnet take it you have done a few sexy engine mods" to what I got the response "no mate its a standard 1.4 with nuffink done to it, got too many points on my licence, besides you dont need power to look cool" at this point both of us started LOFAO thing must have been lucky to reach 70 with all that fiberglass on it. At this point we got back in the Cosworth and headed back up north

[psq43]

Ahh, that word "Chav" again :rolleyes: vastly over used these days.

I don't know about you, but most of the "chavs" round my neck of the woods tend to drive normally aspirated fwd production saloons with halfords stickers plastered up the sides of them. :rolleyes:

Are you possibly one of the "team branded anorak" wearing umbrella holding cliquey british motorsport enthusiasts that are so narrow minded they can't see past their people carrier?


I do beg your pardon??? Trying to rack my "narrow mind" to understand when this became a pesonal character assasination???


And in answer to your above comments, no I am not narrow minded and have no idea where that suggestion came from, Yes I do wear team gear on occasions, as do many users of this forum in case you wish to upset more of us, no I do not drive either a people carrier or naturally aspirated 4wd saloon, and would not dare decorate it with any such labels or stickers!

Who cares if I chose to use, on occasion, the word that is so "vastly over used"!

[psq43]

DRAG RACING............ what skill!! two testosterone filled numptys going fast in a straight line! I can't think of anything more boring! anybody can put there foot down and hold the wheel straight!.... Going fast round corners is far more skillfull! ;)


Couldn't agree more, although I do admit, it must be quite skillfull for the guys in the Top Fuel Races who have to hold it straight whilst trying to accelerate from zero to eleventymillion mph in half a microsecond, whilst being concious that what they are driving is tuned to within an inch of it's life and is little more than a very high speed fuel bomb!

As I said, its an aquired taste. I personally prefer circiut racing!

[LDA]

having read all of the comments I felt IÃ*d like to add an incite from the drifting world.
But first may I say that I am an avid BTCC fan and enjoy almost every level of motorsport I can possibly attend or watch on tv.

hello by the way.

I'm sure being BTCC fans that you are all aware of Snetterton race track. this was the venue for round 1 of this years UK drift championships.
the point scoring corners were the last 3 before the pits. Coram and the 2 at Russell Bend chicane.

arriving at speed through the undulating bomb hole corner towards coram where there isnÃ*t much run off on the outside of the corner before the tyre walls. there it's quite a steep down hill towards the chicane just before the pits. the exit to bomb hole was the start of the scoring zone with the pit lane entrance as the end.

i'm not sure how fast the btcc cars go round coram (please fill me in) but the pro level drifters were initiating their drifts about 80m before the start of coram at speeds from 110-120mph. thatÃ*s chucking a 1200kg car 30* left (the opposite direction to the corner) and then 70-80* right while still holding as much speed as possible.
most of the drivers were right up near the red line of 4th gear (the rear wheels would be spinning much faster than 120mph during the drift) or into 5th gear with the pedal firmly to the metal.
as if "catching" a car sideways round a long right hand double apex corner isnÃ*t enough, the driver are marked down for not sticking to the racing line and not carrying enough speed during the drift.
the end of the corner is not the end of the drift. drifting at competition level is all about keeping the car sideways even in the 'transition' between corners.

the drivers must keep the weight and speed of the back of their car's under control while making 2 changes of direction on the down hill slope and still manage to scrub off 70mph before the next 2 corners to complete a successful transition. use of left food breaking, shift lock, gear changes, momentum weight transfer, (some times) hand brake, steering and throttle must be skilfully balanced in order to stay in control.
the driver must clip both apexes of the chicanes with the front wheels while maintaining the maximum drift angle and speed in order to score good points for their run.

this in it's self may seem tame to some people but the action really heats up when the battle drifting takes place.
the top scoring pro drivers are now pitted head to head on the track in a drift battle. this is meant to be a non contact motorsport but as with touring cars sometimes contact cant be avoided.

the 2 drivers start off with one lead car and one to follow. the aim of the lead car is to drift as fast as possible and maybe use some tactics in order to keep the following car behind or increase the lead. the drivers are still scored for style, line and speed during the battle. the following car must stay as close as possible to the lead car or if they can, pass them.

around coram corner the drivers are giving 100% and their cars are within a few inches of each other. contact at this speed would speed disaster for both of them. Once round coram they must pile on yet more speed and defend or attack into the Russell chicane.
once the run has been completed the drivers swap positions and go again.
the winning driver goes on to meet the winner of another pair until the 2 best drivers on the day go head to head.

this is the closest track racing that the UK has seen in years and it's EVERY round. not just when 2 drivers happen to have a battle mid 'grip' race.

The level of driver skill needed to perform at a top level in drifting is amazing. These people (there are both ladies and gents in the uk D1 championships) spend many years perfecting this style of driving before they can even be allowed to apply for a pro level drift licence. Drivers from around Europe travel to the uk each month over the summer to compete in one of the world fastest growing motor sports. At least 3 other european countries hold their own D1 championships as well as the USA, Australia and of course Japan. IÃ*m sure there are other countries with drift events that IÃ*m not aware of.

Make no mistake, these are not sierra driving ëchavsÃ* chucking it round a round about on a high street in essex.

The image of the sport may be tainted due to most of the drift cars being based on normal street cars. Also this is a new sport so as yet isnÃ*t backed by many works teams and many of the drivers fund their own cars or teams. The drivers and teams do work hard for what sponsorship they have secured so far and the sport is sure to grow into a fully fledged racing scene within the next few years.

Above all though, the drivers compete in this sport because its good fun.



Luke.

[Editor]

Thanks for that Luke, it sounds quite interesting, I may actually pay attention on Sunday if the car is out at Oulton Park.

[Grim]

DRAG RACING............ what skill!! two testosterone filled numptys going fast in a straight line! I can't think of anything more boring! anybody can put there foot down and hold the wheel straight!.... Going fast round corners is far more skillfull! ;)

i agree. drag racing doesn't do it for me either.:rolleyes: i was just saying that dragracing on a strip in a fully prepared top fueller is a bit like two corsa's having a burn from the traffic lights.

just like drifting on a track is a bit like handbrake turning at mcdonnalds.

however once past that perception, it is a valid motorsport, with an increasing uk fan base, and more big events each year.

[andy bird]

using your analygy (speeling :D ) then the BTCC is simular to the CHAVS racing round the town centre!!!!!!!!

a hand brake turn in a car park involves no skill. i would suggest a BTCC driver would not demonstrate any more skill as a top drifting driver. You try hanging the back end of your car out at close to 100mph for about 17 seconds (count that out) and still be ready to do it again at the next corner.



BTW hello all im new :D

[psq43]

Difference being of course that the BTCC drivers actually know what they are doing and have skill in abundance, as do all (well, almost all) racing/drift/rally drivers, while the vehicles they use are designed for the purpose!

Unlike the Saxo/Corsa etc bunch tearing round your fair town centre at night in hastly bodged mobile hi-fi's being a menace to the good public and doing so with minimal driving skill!!

[cptsideways]

Hi Everyone

One of the Uk's Drifters here, I used to be a very avid motorsport fan, at a circuit most weekends throughout the year, from rallying through to f1, but I simply got bored with it & wanted something to have a go at myself. One of the best things about this sport, buy a car, sort it for a few £k, do some practice days, get a licence, go drift some of the UK top circuits.

Old school 30's f1 drivers used to do it for entire laps all be it less sideways, a skill long lost in motorsport legends (http://www.gpracing.net192.com/races/race_pics/195704.jpg), but being revived by regular guys & girls with some enthusiasm.

Thought I'd post you up some pics from recent rounds.

Approximately 100mph through Chorum at Snetterton side by side
http://doristars.com/v-web/gallery/albums/d1round1/simonnon.sized.jpg

Check out just how sideways the winner was
http://doristars.com/v-web/gallery/albums/d1round1/522_G.sized.jpg