JV: 'F1 won't remember Schu'

[nealfan]

Read this courtesy of planetf1.com

Jacques Villeneuve has taken a dig at Michael Schumacher, saying that Formula One won't remember the German once he's gone because he has no personality.

Schumacher, who holds the majority of F1's records including the most-ever number of World Championship titles, 7, could retire from the sport at the end of the season as his Ferrari contract expires then.

And should he opt to do that, JV says it won't be long before records or no records, F1 forgets who he is.

"I think the problem is that you don't ever see his true personality," Villeneuve told F1 Racing magazine.

"He's a racer - but a pure racer, nothing but a racer and, because of that, I think the day he hangs up his helmet people will just forget him.

"Senna, by contrast, will never be forgotten. Some of that is the James Dean factor, of course, because he was killed in action at a young age, but not all of it.

"I don't even think Michael will live on in people's memories as strong or as long as Prost has - certainly not as strong or as long as Mansell has. Those people attained a hero status that Michael never has and never will."

Villeneuve also believes what separates Schumacher from Senna is the fact that the Ferrari ace is willing to use "dirty tricks" to get what he wants during race weekends for example his .

"Michael simply isn't a great Champion because he's played too many dirty tricks and because he isn't a great human being," he added.

"Yes, Senna played dirty tricks too but he did it with more class, more integrity. When he took Prost out at Suzuka in 1990, he said he was going to do it before the race."

"So, unlike Michael, who ridiculously insisted he was innocent at Monaco this year, Senna said, 'Yes, I did it. But I told you before the race that I was going to do it.'"


I didn't bring this up because im biased to schuey! I wanted to know your views! Whats your opinion on this statement?

I would say how could JV say something like that? I don't recall schuey being sacked from a team more than once! Not even once! Sauber tried getting rid of JV last year, but he wouldn't go! The only reason BMW took him on was because of his contract with the team! JVs time is up! He only won one championship because he had an amazing car, yeah so did schuey, but schuey made them how they became! Surely thats something to remember apart from his 7 championships under his belt! Morall is a big part of the championship i think, Schuey, Barrichello, Brawn and Todt (only main names i came up with) were all a key to success! but when schuey and barrichello fell out look what happened in 2005, putting it plainly they were c**p! Now look they have massa getting better, worried he will only get one year at the team, hes getting better and pushing the team's morall up

[jonboy1066]

JV's a fine one to talk. I may not like Schumacher or agree with his dirty tactics but I don't believe he'll be forgotten either. It's only fair to say that when Schumachers on his game he can be among the best around. Yet JV has IMO never been any good. He will only be remembered for constantly outbraking himself, never finishing his home Grand Prix and losing the plot as soon as Williams lost Renault engines.
In some ways I want Schumacher to retire because I don't like him, but in others I think that if he was to stick around for another year and Kimi goes to Ferrari we would be in for a very entertaining season. It'd be great to see Kimi beat him in the same car, while driving for a team that has been built around Schumacher. As long as Ferrari allow Kimi to win (Isn't it strange that the no2 drivers always have their races ruined by dodgy descisions and pit stop delays when they stand a chance of beating Schu)
Back on topic though, that statement shows that JV has finally completely lost it and I feel that my relief at him bowing out of the rest of this season was well founded. Come next season I'll probably have forgotten Villeneuve all together.

Have the Canadians ever heard of the old saying about glass houses and throwing stones?


THE MAN'S AN IDIOT!

[FlashGordon]

Sorry but Jacques who? F1 will remember Schuey as you dont seem to forget a 7 time champion who has most of the records easily.

[CharlieJ]

Sorry but Jacques who? F1 will remember Schuey as you dont seem to forget a 7 time champion who has most of the records easily.
I think I'm with you there. And not seeing his true personality??? I think Schuey's celebrations when he wins (even after all this time) say it all!

[FlashGordon]

I think I'm with you there. And not seeing his true personality??? I think Schuey's celebrations when he wins (even after all this time) say it all!
I think its just that Jacques bitter. One time world Champ who most of the Paddock seems to of turned there back on. Sounds like hes hitting out to me.

[Sudsy 23]

Yes Michael's enthusiasm for the sport really strikes me, he loves racing. Jacques always seems to have something to whinge about.

[Claw]

All I will remember of him is his chin.

[Williams Ren 99]

All I will remember of him is his chin.
lol, chin up

[maximus]

I actually felt sorry for Jaques when he was sacked by BMW but not anymore. His comments about MS and other race series, such as Le Mans (saying that Daytona is on a higher level, what rubbish) have annoyed me, and put me off him even more.

[tsunami99]

Sorry but Jacques who? F1 will remember Schuey as you dont seem to forget a 7 time champion who has most of the records easily.

I agree with some but not all of Jacques comments.

I think that Schuey's titles (well 5 of the 7) are totally artificial and meaningless.

Rossi in Moto GP, Fangio etc have won their multiple titles genuinely whereas Schuey has only won 7 titles because for 5 years had by far the best car, has had a F1 team built around him, had team-mates that are not allowed to challenge him for the title, and bias from the FIA.

Most other drivers in Schuey's position (including Sato, albers, Monteiro) would have won everything he has.

Rossi has won Moto GP with the best bike, but has also won it with a bike that wasn't the fastest in the field, and his team-mate is allowed to race him etc.

Fangio won his 5 titles in the 50s because he was a genius and the best driver

Schuey won his 7 titles cos he had the best car and a team-mate that has never been allowed to win the title (since 2000)

[FlashGordon]

Im sorry but if its all down to the cars why do they have Drivers? With out the drivers you can imagine how boring seeing 20+ cars sat on the grid doing nothing would be. You cant say Schuey aint talented. I can remember two of his titles he had to fight damn hard (Harder then anyone has in the past 15 years) to win them due to Miki. He has had to fight for each and everyone granted some years he has had the best car but he has still had to fight for the wins.

[maximus]

I agree. I'm not MS's biggest fan, far from it in fact. I will not take away what he has achieved though. So what if the teams built around him? It was his influence and hard work that lead to that in the first place. His titles in 94,95 & 2000 were all won without the best car and he had to fight hard for it (well some of Hills driving in 95 made it easy for him, sadly for me) He almost won it in 98, when the Mclaren was by far the best car, and his ability to drive quickly on the limit has yet to be matched by anyone, even if Alonso and Raikkonen are getting close to be able to do so.

Like I say, I hate MS, but you can't deny how good he can be, and he deserves the title this year despite Monaco, just for how much he has clawed back from Alonso.

[David]

Schumacher is a legend and in my opinion the greatest F1 driver of all time. He will never be forgotten. Jaques is just jealous because he was never as good as schumacher and now he he cant get an F1 drive.

[Ben Scott]

What Michael has achieved throughout his career is just amazing and I don't think we will ever see a driver be able to better this for a long time. It is just sour grapes from JV.

[tsunami99]

You cant say Schuey aint talented. I can remember two of his titles he had to fight damn hard (Harder then anyone has in the past 15 years) to win them due to Miki. He has had to fight for each and everyone granted some years he has had the best car but he has still had to fight for the wins.

I agree that he had to fight very hard for two of his titles and that he is a very talented driver - like the other 21 drivers on the grid.

When you say "granted some years he has had the best car but he has still had to fight for the wins",

Yed he had by far the best car for 5 of his 7 titles which is the only reason why he has won the amount of titles he has.

Don't you remember the 5 or so years of millions of F1 fans switching their TV screens off when they saw Schuey leading after the first lap?

For 2 of his titles he had genuine, hard consistent competition from another driver/s. (like this year and like Alonso has had this year and last year)

For 5 years he drove away from the rest of the field cos his car was the fastest.

Alonso, Raikkonen, Coulthard, etc. would have won exactly what Schuey has if they would have been in the same position.

Finally, something that backs up Villeneuve's agreement, did you hear about for 20 mins after the Hungarian GP almost all the drivers (led by P.D.L.Rosa) on the grid having a go about his poor standard of driving when involved in another on track tussle?

That aint just one driver whose thinking what Jacques is. I completely agree with Jacques' comparisons with Senna.

For years Schuey has only been able to pass another driver in the pitlane.

And i agree with Ben Scott, i doubt any other driver will achieve what Schuey has, because it will be extremely unlikely anyone else will have a car that is so much faster than any other car on the grid for so long.

[FlashGordon]

Alonso, Raikkonen, Coulthard, etc. would have won exactly what Schuey has if they would have been in the same position.

Finally, something that backs up Villeneuve's agreement, did you hear about for 20 mins after the Hungarian GP almost all the drivers (led by P.D.L.Rosa) on the grid having a go about his poor standard of driving when involved in another on track tussle?


When Coulthard was in the Merc with Miki they had the best car and yet Schuey still won. I think Coulthard is a good driver but he will never be near the champion status. Alonso last year had the best car by miles even compared to Ferrari back in the day. Raikkonen granted hasnt had the car under him to prove himself fully. And aint it funny that after the race they complained but the Officals saw nothing at all wrong. What did I say Everyone likes and underdog and attacks the Top Dog (which Ferrari still are even after last year).

[tsunami99]

And aint it funny that after the race they complained but the Officals saw nothing at all wrong. What did I say Everyone likes and underdog and attacks the Top Dog (which Ferrari still are even after last year).

It is funny mate and that's why people on here have been calling the FIA, 'Ferrari's International Assistance'.

everyone likes the underdog and attacks the Top dog? There was me thinking that alonso still leads the standings.

I am also a big fan of Valentino Rossi by the way, who has totally dominated MotoGP for years and I support him because he has dominated due to his immense talent and he has won titles on bikes that yes have been the fastest but also should be racing in the midfield. The guy is in a class of his own.

Schuey is a talented driver and there are times when I have respect for some of his driving, like when he came back at San Marino last year, but Alonso or Raikkonen could have done the same. I think Schuey is in the top 5 of the best current F1 drivers speed wise but he's had too many dirty tricks in his time, good luck and favouritism from his team and other places to be a great.

Fangio won 5 titles in a car that was no faster than any of his 3 team mates.
An example is his come back drive at the Nordschleife (when he had technical problems, emerged from a pit stop 2.5 miles behind the leaders, broke the lap record 10 times in the same race and came back to win) still defies belief today.

Schumacher could have done an equivalent in the 2002 Ferrari, because it was by far the best car, and his team-mate isn't allowed to beat him!

I regard Schumacher as a fine F1 driver, but he aint one of the all time greats.

Eddie Jordan was right, he should have retired at the end of last year, he's had as much if not more negative than positive press this year

[alipat55]

I agree that he had to fight very hard for two of his titles and that he is a very talented driver - like the other 21 drivers on the grid.

When you say "granted some years he has had the best car but he has still had to fight for the wins",

Yed he had by far the best car for 5 of his 7 titles which is the only reason why he has won the amount of titles he has.

Don't you remember the 5 or so years of millions of F1 fans switching their TV screens off when they saw Schuey leading after the first lap?

For 2 of his titles he had genuine, hard consistent competition from another driver/s. (like this year and like Alonso has had this year and last year)

For 5 years he drove away from the rest of the field cos his car was the fastest.

Alonso, Raikkonen, Coulthard, etc. would have won exactly what Schuey has if they would have been in the same position.

Finally, something that backs up Villeneuve's agreement, did you hear about for 20 mins after the Hungarian GP almost all the drivers (led by P.D.L.Rosa) on the grid having a go about his poor standard of driving when involved in another on track tussle?

That aint just one driver whose thinking what Jacques is. I completely agree with Jacques' comparisons with Senna.

For years Schuey has only been able to pass another driver in the pitlane.

And i agree with Ben Scott, i doubt any other driver will achieve what Schuey has, because it will be extremely unlikely anyone else will have a car that is so much faster than any other car on the grid for so long.

I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. Personally, I can't wait for him to hang up his helmet - we should then see proper racing, and no favouritism or rule bending (dare I say cheating?)

[topgear1]

I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. Personally, I can't wait for him to hang up his helmet - we should then see proper racing, and no favouritism or rule bending (dare I say cheating?)

There are some crucial points to this.
- it was fun to see senna leading and witness(no arguments please) the greatest f1 driver ever to have plonked his bottom on a racing seat.

schumcher leading just provoked people to throw very large and heavy things at the televsion.
schumacher made people hate ferrari- i love ferrari and hate schumacher!!!!!

[dannybo]

Err, you do realise this thread is from Aug2006 dont you?

[2.0 Civic]

There are some crucial points to this.
- it was fun to see senna leading and witness(no arguments please) the greatest f1 driver ever to have plonked his bottom on a racing seat.

schumcher leading just provoked people to throw very large and heavy things at the televsion.
schumacher made people hate ferrari- i love ferrari and hate schumacher!!!!!

Now you've contradicted yourself, You say you love McLaren in another thread, And it also says you want to McLaren to win the Constructors Title in2008, Now you've gone and said you love Ferrari!!

So which is it? McLaren or Ferrari? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[topgear1]

Now you've contradicted yourself, You say you love McLaren in another thread, And it also says you want to McLaren to win the Constructors Title in2008, Now you've gone and said you love Ferrari!!

So which is it? McLaren or Ferrari? :confused: :confused: :confused:


both- i like ferrari but i hate their 'star driver'