Plato's title challenge

[Garyc]

I remember earlier in the season someone mentioned about seat fielding a third car. If Plato is gunna win it might come handy if there was an extra car to support him!! If weather is good then Vauxhall could be strong especially with Seats slow straightline speed!!

[Cassandra]

I remember earlier in the season someone mentioned about seat fielding a third car. If Plato is gunna win it might come handy if there was an extra car to support him!! If weather is good then Vauxhall could be strong especially with Seats slow straightline speed!!
Reinforce success! - Sun Tzu

[laurat]

Plato doesn't need a helping hand, or does he??? You've got me worried now - - GIO BACK OFF!!!!!

[Garyc]

Reinforce success! - Sun Tzu

wud b great to see plato win again!!

[laurat]

Would be absolutely excellent - come on JASON!!!!

[Garyc]

mite go to it if can get weekend off work

[Garyc]

cant believe weve gotta wait 6 weeks for outcome mabe seat mite upgrade their engine as they need more power to keep up

[AlfaFan]

For the love of Halfords Gio better beat Plato.

[laurat]

Yip 6 weeks is a long time, especially when you have no patience like myself...boo hoo

[Robbo]

Gio has a very good chance of winning it cos he won 2 races at Thruxton last time and Plato only won 1

[Cassandra]

I agree - heart says Plato head says Gio. Mind you I wouldn't trust either of them (body parts I mean).

[laurat]

Well at least you said it Cassandra about your body parts, although I'm certain none of us want to know anything bout them - my heart and head both say PLATO!!!!

[bringbacktheolddays]

I think all Turners(no ballast) gotta do is finish ahead of Giovanardi everyrace and that will be the manufactures title in the bag for SEAT!! the drivers is anyones though!!

[BTCCROCKS]

Gio has a very good chance of winning it cos he won 2 races at Thruxton last time and Plato only won 1

Might not happen this time round. It might be the reverse this time. It will be a excellent conclusion to this years championship, no doubt about it

[projectzip]

yeah field a third car theycan take each other out gio chilton matt and super sheds can go through to win


And now ive woken up

[mattlovestbs]

yeah field a third car theycan take each other out gio chilton matt and super sheds can go through to win


And now ive woken up

nah.

Seat field a 3rd car (Tarquini??), who takes out Giovanardi.

Matt Neal takes out Jason Plato, then Adam Jones wins :D :D

and Fiona gets the grid swap so she starts on pole :eek: :rolleyes: :eek: :rolleyes: :eek: :rolleyes:

then Flash wins his 5th race of the year

then, i do also wake up

[btccbryn]

laura + cassandra im always intrested in womens body parts ha ha no but seriously i honestly think he will do it plato and im hopeing he does hes had a cracking 2007 season and his driveing has been second to none come on plato you can do it.

[laurat]

Oh yes btccbryan --- I have all my faith in Jason!!!! He just needs the backing that's all! One of the guys on the main gates at the Knockhill circuit turned round and said to me on Sunday that no one likes Plato - well tuff for them is what i say - look what their missing out on!

[McKendrick]

Oh yes btccbryan --- I have all my faith in Jason!!!! He just needs the backing that's all! One of the guys on the main gates at the Knockhill circuit turned round and said to me on Sunday that no one likes Plato - well tuff for them is what i say - look what their missing out on!

Hes one of them drivers that people either love or hate bit like schumacher was in F1.

[laurat]

Well I think he is a great driver and I was the same with Schumacher - he was my fav too1
If people don't like them, then I don't think they'd be too bothered to be honest - they know who their fans are and I suppose that's all that counts!

[btccbryn]

well im with you on that one to you have to have respect for plato his pedigree if you would like to call it speaks for itself and he in my opinion is the best driver out there i can see why some people would think hes a bit of a show off for the cameras but in my book he just seems a really cool person

[laurat]

Thanks for that!!! I totally agree with you

[btccbryn]

no problem, when you support a team like kartworld and i dont mean this to sound funny to the team but you kind of are happy to see anyone win races espically if they have deserved to win thats were i get to with plato he deserves to win the title.

[laurat]

He certainly does, and saying he's waited 6 years, then he sure deserves it!!!

[dannybo]

Things looked a bit shakey for the SEAT setup a couple of seasons ago, but to their credit they have turned it around. Another professional display & a bit of class from Plato and its all cheers after Thruxton.

[laurat]

I definitely agree with you Danny - am all excited now!

[btccbryn]

i have a feeling he is going to win plato i think he will do anything he has to win this year and like you said after 6 years so he should go for it just to comment on the setup of the seat i agree with you on that i think for next year the chances are they will have to do something with the engine to get more power out of it if there is any if not then they should think about a getting some newer leons.

[dannybo]

i have a feeling he is going to win plato i think he will do anything he has to win this year and like you said after 6 years so he should go for it just to comment on the setup of the seat i agree with you on that i think for next year the chances are they will have to do something with the engine to get more power out of it if there is any if not then they should think about a getting some newer leons.
Some Diesels maybe?

[btccbryn]

no cant see them useing diesels can you maybe the new cupra leons ?

[CharlieJ]

Muller has already won a WTCC race with the diesel, so I'm expecting SEAT to run the diesel in BTCC next year.

[laurat]

sounds a good plan to me - if muller has won when using one then it proves successful so they could be following in the footsteps, we should watch this space...

[Garyc]

wud b great to have tarquini if its possible to have him bk to support Jason. Is Rydell doin anything these days as he was a king of thruxton in the volvo

[kali]

The TDI Leons are about the best thing the Leon could offer next season, stick with this years Leon and they'll too slow.

[laurat]

Yeah they seemed to be struggling a little at certain points round the knockhill circuit so here's to a better performance next year, or a bit more OOMPHH!

[Cassandra]

Mat! Identify yourself! Are you a fan or the real deal?

[laurat]

Mat! Identify yourself! Are you a fan or the real deal?
Cassandra, what you going on about????

[Cassandra]

Mat is a new user viewing this thread I was just hoping it might be Mat Jackson.

[laurat]

Oh really??? Don't think so - ask revlimit (chris), he may be able to tell you!
If it is then you'll find Mat to be a lovely lad as I found out on sunday!

[mattlovestbs]

Oh really??? Don't think so - ask revlimit (chris), he may be able to tell you!
If it is then you'll find Mat to be a lovely lad as I found out on sunday!

i agree - Mat is a smashing character

[laurat]

i agree - Mat is a smashing character
Yeah mattlovestbs, I found Mat to be a lovely lad - so down to earth seems to have time for his fans, unlike some!!!
My dad found him to be really canny too and the rest of his crew are great lads as well, especially Chris Hodgetts - although I did get a little mixed up with his username on here, which I will apologise for yet again - sorry chris!

[laurat]

Mat! Identify yourself! Are you a fan or the real deal?
Cassandra, are you going mad - I've been through this thread and cannot see anyone with the username Mat - either that or I'm the one going mad, oops hope not!

[dannybo]

Cassandra, are you going mad - I've been through this thread and cannot see anyone with the username Mat - either that or I'm the one going mad, oops hope not!
If you right click a username there are ways of finding out which thread they are viewing.

[laurat]

Eh, you've got me lost Danny!!!
Cassandra said there was a member on this thread called 'mat' but when I've read back through, I cannot seem to find him!

[dannybo]

Eh, you've got me lost Danny!!!
Cassandra said there was a member on this thread called 'mat' but when I've read back through, I cannot seem to find him!
Thats because he didnt actually post anything. You can see which thread people are viewing at a specific time, if you are interested (not sure why you would be). It would take a better man than me to explain (any takers?), no offense intended!

[laurat]

Ah right am with you now - sorry I think it's the Jack Daniels am sitting drinking - it has a funny effect on me!!!!
I understand what you are saying about being able to see which threads members are viewing

[skipys.co.uk]

Yip 6 weeks is a long time, especially when you have no patience like myself...boo hoo

i'm getting the shakes from withdrawal symptons. I think i od'ed by going to two rounds in a row.

On the subject though - I would prefer to see Gio win but I feel Plato has the experience to pull this through without the need for an additional car in the team.

I could see the third car being used to try to disrupt places for the manufactureres championship - even though they won't all score points for it - only 2 nominated, but would you really look to bring someone in for 3 races?

[laurat]

I dont honestly think it would be wise to bring someone in for 3 races in order to help him secure his title, when he hasn't had help all season!

[mattlovestbs]

they (Seat) did it last year.

was meant to be the final one for Thommo, but they had both Thommo and Turner in, try and get the points away from Halfords and Matt Squeal.

didnt work.

however - that was Silverstone. this is Thruxton.

however many Seats are put out - i reckon VXR will still be in a better position.

fight it alone Seat - dont draft someone else in to help out

[laurat]

If it didn't win first time round then they should learn from that mistake!!

[McKendrick]

Lets hope the BTCC title goes down to the wire like the IRL. The most entertaining title decider ive seen in a long time. Last corner of the last race, what more could the fans want!!

[laurat]

well you're more than likely to get your wish cos I'm 100% certain that's what is going to happen - it cannot go any other way can it!
Fab and Jason have been so close, neck and neck all the way through the season so for one of them to win it straight at Thruxton is far too simple - we need to see a scrap and a challenge!

[dannybo]

well you're more than likely to get your wish cos I'm 100% certain that's what is going to happen - it cannot go any other way can it!
Fab and Jason have been so close, neck and neck all the way through the season so for one of them to win it straight at Thruxton is far too simple - we need to see a scrap and a challenge!
I think JP & SEAT will fight tooth & nail. If vxR think they will have an easy time, they're wrong.

Personally I wouldnt like to see them draught in reinforcements, because if SEAT were to win & it was because of the third car I dont think I could live with myself!:D

In all seriousness, I dont think they will need the third car, but if it turned up & it was a diesel & it won. That would be a wake up call for vxR & team squeal.

[McKendrick]

well you're more than likely to get your wish cos I'm 100% certain that's what is going to happen - it cannot go any other way can it!
Fab and Jason have been so close, neck and neck all the way through the season so for one of them to win it straight at Thruxton is far too simple - we need to see a scrap and a challenge!

Lets hope your right.

[Cassandra]

I think SEAT will stick with two cars as both drivers are doing well. Vauxhall on the other hand would be silly not to bring in a third car - assuming they can (I remember SEAT registering a third car but but I can't remember Vauxhall doing the same).

[laurat]

Nah stick with two cars guys and I think we'll all be watching a fantastic 3 races!!! As for the SEAT drivers doing well - Darren shone at Knockhill - what better he is giving us Turner clan a right good name - we aren't related though as I have to keep telling the lads at work - am like a parrot by the end of my working day!!!

[btccbryn]

well i wish someone was remotley intrested in the btcc in are office but hey,i think whatever the turn out however many cars the two teams will run its going to be a nail biteing one isnt it i think we will be in for a great day of raceing role on thruxton and come on plato i can see him now lifting that trophy up and everyone going mad lol.

[laurat]

well i wish someone was remotley intrested in the btcc in are office but hey,i think whatever the turn out however many cars the two teams will run its going to be a nail biteing one isnt it i think we will be in for a great day of raceing role on thruxton and come on plato i can see him now lifting that trophy up and everyone going mad lol.
I've seen Jason lifting the trophy all season (in my dreams) so hopefully it is going to happen for real - come on come on come on!!!!!

[btccbryn]

well with a bit of luck laura you might be right laura you dont dream about lottery numbers do you,but seriously i know i keep saying it but and i dont wont to tempt faith but i think he says using the word think that plato can do this i also think come race day if had to put my money on anyone it would have to be jason i just have this feeling he will stay cooler than gio and that will be his saveing grace just hope im right.

[Thommofan]

Im sorry, btccbryn, I dont agree, there is no one cooler under pressure than Gio. If Gio has a good first race I think it will be his title.

Although Jason did win the first two races at thruxton last time out. If Seat do bring in another driver, it will be for the Manufacturers title. Only Jason can win him the title.

Thruxton is my local circuit so I cannot wait!

Thommofan

[btccbryn]

thats fare enough thommofan we all have diffrent opinions which you should always respect but i just think ok gio has allot of experience in the wtcc but plato this is his turf so to speak and i your right gio does stay cool but these last few races you have to admit he is getting a bit more tense you can see it in his face but for plato he always looks his cool calm collected self like i said we all have diffrent opinions on wot we see and wot we think hey you never know might bump into you at thruxton i will be comeing down from liverpool all on my lonesome lol but yer looking forward to it.

[dannybo]

Im sorry, btccbryn, I dont agree, there is no one cooler under pressure than Gio. If Gio has a good first race I think it will be his title.

Although Jason did win the first two races at thruxton last time out. If Seat do bring in another driver, it will be for the Manufacturers title. Only Jason can win him the title.

Thruxton is my local circuit so I cannot wait!

Thommofan
FabGio won the first two races in May, JP took the third if you recall. I just hope the SEATs can out qualify the Vauxhalls, which they seem to do more often than not.

[Thommofan]

Sorry, I knnew it was two wins to one of the drivers, either Gio or Plato but thanks for the correction.

[btccbryn]

fingers crossed hey for seat after knockhill maybe turner is still fired up after his two victories and can put in a good qualifying time.

[laurat]

fingers crossed hey for seat after knockhill maybe turner is still fired up after his two victories and can put in a good qualifying time.
Goodness yeah, Darren was on fire!!! Go go go SEAT

[CharlieJ]

Since Colin's not in the chase, I just want to see it go down to the last race, preferably with just a couple of points between Jason and Fab. I'll be happy to see either win, because they both deserve it.

[laurat]

Since Colin's not in the chase, I just want to see it go down to the last race, preferably with just a couple of points between Jason and Fab. I'll be happy to see either win, because they both deserve it.
Yeah I agree on that 100%!!!

[dannybo]

Since Colin's not in the chase, I just want to see it go down to the last race, preferably with just a couple of points between Jason and Fab. I'll be happy to see either win, because they both deserve it.
Im not sure Mike Jordan would agree...

[btccbryn]

you watch gio will loose his head and plato will do what he does best keep cool and win you can put your money on it

[CharlieJ]

Im not sure Mike Jordan would agree...
You could be right there.

[McKendrick]

you watch gio will loose his head and plato will do what he does best keep cool and win you can put your money on it

Gio knows how to win titles

[btccbryn]

wtcc titles not btcc come on plato show him hows it done.

[dannybo]

wtcc titles not btcc come on plato show him hows it done.
Has he won the WTCC before, I know he's taken the Spanish, Italian etc. Not sure about the WTCC though?

[btccbryn]

i was just trying to put the point across that he hasnt won a btcc championship haha but surely you really wont plato to win ?

[mattlovestbs]

Has he won the WTCC before, I know he's taken the Spanish, Italian etc. Not sure about the WTCC though?

the only guy to have won the WTCC is Andy Priaulx.

Giovanardi has won the ETCC - which is the old version of the WTCC

[Garyc]

rain mite be the only way for seat to get a decent result!!

come on jason!!

[laurat]

Gio knows how to win titles
...but does he know how to keep his cool under strenuous pressure - -- ha ha ha

[McKendrick]

I think so Laura, we will find out soon. Hopefully it will be a good title race which is all I care about as I dont support any of them. Both amazing drivers..let the best one win.:D

[btccbryn]

same here mckendrick i dont support them to but i got a good feeling on this its going to go down to the wire and i still think plato will keep his cool more than gio.

[sinclat]

same here mckendrick i dont support them to but i got a good feeling on this its going to go down to the wire and i still think plato will keep his cool more than gio.

Gee Bryn, what is this between the 2 of us, Sorry mate I disagree. No surprise there then. I think Plato can be a good driver, it's just I really dislike his habit of, assissting people of the track. He's also the luckiest driver I've ever seen.
Gio and Plato are both world class drivers in their own right, and having met them both, I'd say they're both really nice guys. And Gio's got a wicked sense of humour. My heart wants Gio to win, my head says Plato will luck into it though.

[sinclat]

Sorry forgot to say...

WELL DONE DARIO!

[btccbryn]

no thats fare enough sinclat be a boring old world if we all the same hey i think you choose what the driver means to you like you have said there both world class drivers but i think really you would like to see plato win wouldnt you lol.

[dannybo]

I think Plato can be a good driver, it's just I really dislike his habit of, assissting people of the track. He's also the luckiest driver I've ever seen.
I reckon this season has been his cleanest to date. He wasnt so lucky last season with seven DNFs. Besides, if you do things right you take the good luck that comes with it.
I think Gio has had his fair share of good luck this season too (especially with certain administrative decisions).

Anyhoo, no hard feelings here. Plato will shine through!

[laurat]

I reckon this season has been his cleanest to date. He wasnt so lucky last season with seven DNFs. Besides, if you do things right you take the good luck that comes with it.
I think Gio has had his fair share of good luck this season too (especially with certain administrative decisions).

Anyhoo, no hard feelings here. Plato will shine through!
i totally agree with you there danny - this season has definitely been a clean one for Plato which has come as a bit of a surprise - i think with old age ripening on he doesn't want to jeopardise anything...he knows onto a good thing and it would be a shame to throw it away with one silly mistake

[btccbryn]

your right there plato has been quite good this year you have to give him that but you watch at thruxton i can see anything happaning for him to get the 2007 british title he wants it bad hes waited a while so i reckon he really wonts this and to be fare a bit of pushing and shoveing on the track well that wouldnt be a bad thing would it really not on the final day and besides i would be gutted if gio wins not that i have anything against the guy its the best driver wins but it has to be plato doesnt it.

[bringbacktheolddays]

From a Neutral point of view I would rather Plato win the title as he is a charchter and we lack these in the modern btcc, people like John cleland and tim harvey etc. Giovanardi is about as exciting as Cold Spaggetti (as a person not the way he drives)

[laurat]

From a Neutral point of view I would rather Plato win the title as he is a charchter and we lack these in the modern btcc, people like John cleland and tim harvey etc. Giovanardi is about as exciting as Cold Spaggetti (as a person not the way he drives)
Ah that's a bit harsh...he seems fine to me - he must find it difficult though if you think about it, and I bet you would as well, if you were amongst all the british drivers - he has difficulty wth speaking as I've noticed when Louise Goodman has interviewed him...I think he is FAB, mind the pun!

[dannybo]

Ah that's a bit harsh...he seems fine to me - he must find it difficult though if you think about it, and I bet you would as well, if you were amongst all the british drivers - he has difficulty wth speaking as I've noticed when Louise Goodman has interviewed him...I think he is FAB, mind the pun!
I love the way he says circuit. (sir-quit):D

[sinclat]

For me Gio's a star, both on and off the track. His car control is excellent (I remember seeing him going backwards on the grass approaching the final chicane at Snetterton and still ending up the right way round) and I've always found him very friendly to the fans. We've met him a few times at meetings and he's always happy to stop fot photos etc. Also when he's signing photos at the autograph sessions he always looks you in the eye when he passes the photo to you. That's more than can be said for some drivers.

[btccbryn]

you have to hand it to gio hes had a blinding season and to be fare to him his driveing has been second to none not saying i agree with all of the moves hes pulled "jordan at brands" ect etc no but seriously hes top drawer and ok im going to say it he does deserve to win the title but he isnt plato is lol good luck to both of them i say.And come the 14th october well let the battle begin.

[laurat]

you have to hand it to gio hes had a blinding season and to be fare to him his driveing has been second to none not saying i agree with all of the moves hes pulled "jordan at brands" ect etc no but seriously hes top drawer and ok im going to say it he does deserve to win the title but he isnt plato is lol good luck to both of them i say.And come the 14th october well let the battle begin.
ooooooooo...'let the battle begin'...i like it and i can tell you now it is going to be one eck of a battle too...

[btccbryn]

it is you watch laura gio and plato will do anything to get that title all that raceing etiquiette they try to abide to thats straight out the window you mark my words this could even make or brake the plato and gio reallationship which looks quite strong come on plato show them hows it done.

[CharlieJ]

...this could even make or brake the plato and gio reallationship...
I certainly hope not. Its good to see two drivers who can fight hard on the track and still be friendly off it.

Keep it hard but fair guys....... and may the best man win :D

[btccbryn]

it must be hard to stay friendly with your rival but thats were the years of experince come into play i hope the same that they do stay lovers i mean friends lol but just gotta feeling its going to kick of on race day

[laurat]

it must be hard to stay friendly with your rival but thats were the years of experince come into play i hope the same that they do stay lovers i mean friends lol but just gotta feeling its going to kick of on race day
their going to kick some dirt off the track I can tell you that for certain...let the battle commence and may the best man win!

[btccbryn]

i was listening to plato on his local radio station hate to say it but the guy doesnt sound that posative about winning the championship he seems to keep comeing back this the car is ok when its in front but when hes behind someone he can only go as fast as them i take it that its back to the aerodynamics problem or is it dirty air who knows.

[sinclat]

i was listening to plato on his local radio station hate to say it but the guy doesnt sound that posative about winning the championship he seems to keep comeing back this the car is ok when its in front but when hes behind someone he can only go as fast as them i take it that its back to the aerodynamics problem or is it dirty air who knows.

Plato ALWAYS gets his excuses in first, that way he can't lose. If he gets beat he can say 'told you so' if he wins, then he's a star for out performing the car. Mansell used to do the same thing.

[btccbryn]

good theory there mate i can see the sense in it but hes going to win be posative for the guy hes going to pull out all the stops at thruxton i reckon.

[dannybo]

Plato ALWAYS gets his excuses in first, that way he can't lose. If he gets beat he can say 'told you so' if he wins, then he's a star for out performing the car. Mansell used to do the same thing.
Its called sandbagging & he's not the only one that does it. Besides I think he doesnt lie when he uses this technique, does he?

[btccbryn]

who knows it all might be a bit of a act just to get the over drivers to feel that there in a false sense of security only plato knows i know this much hes a very inteligent person so any kind of game plan could be going on and so it should.

[CharlieJ]

Jason's very good at gamesmanship. He'll talk a lot about how Thruxton doesn't suit the SEAT, but I wouldn't be surprised to see one on the front row.

[sinclat]

Jason's very good at gamesmanship. He'll talk a lot about how Thruxton doesn't suit the SEAT, but I wouldn't be surprised to see one on the front row.
Didn't he say at one point that Brands doesn't suit the Seat, and Snetterton, and Oulton Park... Hmm there's a pattern here.

[laurat]

who knows it all might be a bit of a act just to get the over drivers to feel that there in a false sense of security only plato knows i know this much hes a very inteligent person so any kind of game plan could be going on and so it should.
That is definitely the case...it is so obvious...he's trying to get the others to think he is bottling it when really he'll be going hell for leather...plus on top of that not getting too big headed about it means if the inevitable happens, he won't be too disappointed!
so, his gameplan is probably for himself as well as trying to con others

[dannybo]

Jason's very good at gamesmanship. He'll talk a lot about how Thruxton doesn't suit the SEAT, but I wouldn't be surprised to see one on the front row.
Absolutely, I've been saying that forever.
I'd be interested to know how confident FabGio is?

[btccbryn]

hes had pleanty of experience so he knows whats the right thing to say plus if everyone else thinks ow doesnt sound like hes going to be on his game come race day then like i said false sense security you watch plato is going to do everything to get that 2007 title.

[laurat]

hes had pleanty of experience so he knows whats the right thing to say plus if everyone else thinks ow doesnt sound like hes going to be on his game come race day then like i said false sense security you watch plato is going to do everything to get that 2007 title.
Of course he is...are you guys all nuts!
Just watch...this last venue is going to be a hell raiser...there'll be more pushing and shoving than we've ever seen before (which will be an eye opener for MN, as he likes to do that a lot as we can all recall, but hey I'm saying nothing...my lips are sealed!!!!
Am getting excited now, cannot wait and it's only 22 days to go...woo hoo!

[btccbryn]

thats what i reckon to i can see a few drivers been taken of at thruxton lets just hope plato doesnt get tagged or or somebody makes a bad driveing descision just have to wait and see.

[SEATFreak]

Of course he is...are you guys all nuts!
Just watch...this last venue is going to be a hell raiser...there'll be more pushing and shoving than we've ever seen before (which will be an eye opener for MN, as he likes to do that a lot as we can all recall, but hey I'm saying nothing...my lips are sealed!!!!
Am getting excited now, cannot wait and it's only 22 days to go...woo hoo!

I too am predicting a fantastic race.

Especially between Fabrizio and Jase'. Would it be fair to imagine as the weekend of the qualification and raceday gets closer they would begin to realise the full impact of what could happen if they have a poor qualification or dropped points?

For Jase', would it also be fair to assume that, despite the small gap between him and Fabrizio, a good result would really put pressure on Fabrizio and possibly make him start to feel that real distance had been put between him and Jase?

I mean what do you rekon is the margin for error exactly?

[btccbryn]

not much room at al mate they have both got to be right on there game i wouldnt be at all suprised if it came down to race 3 to see between them who is going to be crowned the 2007 btcc champion but what i do know is that jason is very good in these positions hes been here before and can handle the preasure and is in my opinion one of the best drivers on the grid same goes for gio i know we have heard from the commentators going on about gio's car controll when he gets it sideways but that isnt the be all and end all of being a good driver and i still think gio will loose his head when on the other hand plato will keep his cool


PLATO FOR THE 2007 BRITISH TOURING CAR CHAMPIONSHIP
I WISH HIM THE BEST OF LUCK.

[Robbo]

btccbryn you have just said one of the silliest things ive heard ever. Indeed Plato has been in this position ONCE before where as Gio has been in this position 7 times before and has won them all.

[Jonathan McLeod]

The problem with this forum is 90% of the new members know very little about the BTCC, thus making any serious discussion impossible :rolleyes:

[btccbryn]

listen robbo your a vxr fan i take it but has gio ever been in this BTCC position before answer um no so if any one is silly it is you thinking that gio will win the title and more to the point if you cant share your opinion with out being offensive then maybe you should say nothing.I respect that we are not all going to support the same teams and drivers if thats the case then discuse it dont call people silly thats got right up my nose.

[sinclat]

I think this could easily get out of control. Plato has been around a good while in Touring cars and has decided to make the BTCC his home (can't blame him there). Gio on the other hand has been around longer and has done much more than Plato on the world stage. This is only his second season on BTCC but surely he has prooved he's more than up to the task.

Let's just hope for a clean fight! I can't see either driver loosing their nerve, they've both been title contenders before.

I say "Bring it On!"

[btccbryn]

im with you on that one sinclat i to think its going to go right down to the wire with plato and gio and i think that will make a great day of raceing i think the other comment on people not knowing what they are talking about is a crazy thing to say for how do you know how long they have been a supporter and exactly what they know about the btcc lol mind readers hey my first race i went to was donny when the volvos were in it still can recall they used to have audi quatro rally car flying around the track i can still hear the sound of them dump vales in my head now.

[SEATFreak]

How many points would Fabrizio need to get and how many would Jase have to get in order for them to be level pegging going into round 30?

Indeed is it possible for Fabrizio and Jase to each get the needed points for them to go into round 30 level?

Because if it is the case they will go into round 30 level, I don't really care what anyone says, a part of me is wondering if they will utilise their talents and their skills or if they will just throw caution to the wind and just race. Because I am also wondering if round 30 will just be down to who can finish ahead of the other.

[btccbryn]

intresting seatfreak its hard to say isnt it a big part of me says the later one were anything is possable and instead of caution it will be race to win which makes for good viewing or do you think all the tatics will be pushed a side in there minds and try and do anything for the win.

[mattlovestbs]

How many points would Fabrizio need to get and how many would Jase have to get in order for them to be level pegging going into round 30?

Indeed is it possible for Fabrizio and Jase to each get the needed points for them to go into round 30 level?

Because if it is the case they will go into round 30 level, I don't really care what anyone says, a part of me is wondering if they will utilise their talents and their skills or if they will just throw caution to the wind and just race. Because I am also wondering if round 30 will just be down to who can finish ahead of the other.

put it simply.

Fabrizio is currently 9 points behind... so for them to be level going into round 30, Plato needs to score nil point, Fabrizio 9 points.

however - Fabrizio would actually then lead the Championship, due to him having 8 wins to Jason's 6.

mathimatically it is possible - in reality, it cant happen due to the countback rule

[CharlieJ]

Well.....

Here's a scenario.....

Current points position - Jason 265, Fab 256

Race 1:
Fab finishes 3rd and Jason finishes 8th, putting them on 266 and 268 points respectively.

Race 2:
Fab finishes 4th and Jason finishes 5th, putting them both on 274 points, and Fab will be one place behind Jason on the grid for the last race.

:D :D :D :D :D

[btccbryn]

now charlie that sounds like it could be a real good race 3 i hope your right that would be a proper nail biter and a real good way to end the season wouldnt it.

[Robbo]

or if Gio wins the first 2 like last time that will make it interesting :)

[btccbryn]

no plato will win the first two races and then the championship its all done and dusted the title is his for the takeing.

[mattlovestbs]

Well.....

Here's a scenario.....

Current points position - Jason 265, Fab 256

Race 1:
Fab finishes 3rd and Jason finishes 8th, putting them on 266 and 268 points respectively.

Race 2:
Fab finishes 4th and Jason finishes 5th, putting them both on 274 points, and Fab will be one place behind Jason on the grid for the last race.

:D :D :D :D :D

ahh cool, cheers :)

what is Fab wins either race?

then would it be possible?

[dannybo]

Yes, there are many different combinations that could work.

Points are awarded to the top ten finishers in each race thus:
10th - 1
9th - 2
8th - 3
7th - 4
6th - 5
5th - 6
4th - 8
3rd - 10
2nd - 12
1st - 15

Plus one point for fastest lap and one point for pole position.

So long as JP finishes the first two races no more than two places behind Fabrizio, then the title is his.:D

[Day Char View]

Danny you must be an accountant to come up with a theory like that!

[Captain VXR]

Aren't there leading race points?

[Day Char View]

Scenario 2 - Fab qualifies on pole followed by Jason and Mad Mat. At the start Mad Mat powers past Jason but clips Fab at the first corner sending him into a spin. Jason collides heavily with Fab and both cars are out for the rest of the meeting. Mat goes on to win all three races. After it's all over and Jase is crowned King of the Castle, Jase says it was just a racing incident while Fab overdoses on pizzas. Mat says what's all the fuss? - "just deal with it".

[laurat]

Scenario 2 - Fab qualifies on pole followed by Jason and Mad Mat. At the start Mad Mat powers past Jason but clips Fab at the first corner sending him into a spin. Jason collides heavily with Fab and both cars are out for the rest of the meeting. Mat goes on to win all three races. After it's all over and Jase is crowned King of the Castle, Jase says it was just a racing incident while Fab overdoses on pizzas. Mat says what's all the fuss? - "just deal with it".
that sounds silly

[Day Char View]

That's me in place firmly put.

[mattlovestbs]

however much id love to see Jason and Giovanardi have their motors destroyed and Mat Jackson win all 3 races... wont happen.

Jason and Fab have too much respect for each other to do stupid antics like that

[SEATFreak]

Scenario 2 - Fab qualifies on pole followed by Jason and Mad Mat. At the start Mad Mat powers past Jason but clips Fab at the first corner sending him into a spin. Jason collides heavily with Fab and both cars are out for the rest of the meeting. Mat goes on to win all three races. After it's all over and Jase is crowned King of the Castle, Jase says it was just a racing incident while Fab overdoses on pizzas. Mat says what's all the fuss? - "just deal with it".

I'd take that!!:D

[btccbryn]

lol sounds like a good theory mate i especially like the pizza bit but for that all to happen i think theres more chance a spaceship comeing down and teleporting all the cars of the grid up inside it but well you never know do you your theory is a bit more plausable than mine lol.

[CharlieJ]

ahh cool, cheers :)

what is Fab wins either race?

then would it be possible?
How sad am I for working it out? :rolleyes:

Race 1:
Fab 4th - Jason 6th so they're on 264 and 270

Race 2:
Fab 1st plus fastest lap -Jason 3rd - puts them both on 280

And Fab behind Jason on the race 3 reversed grid.

:D ;)

[dannybo]

How sad am I for working it out? :rolleyes:

Race 1:
Fab 4th - Jason 6th so they're on 264 and 270

Race 2:
Fab 1st plus fastest lap -Jason 3rd - puts them both on 280

And Fab behind Jason on the race 3 reversed grid.

:D ;)
Thats the key point isnt it!

JP has to be in front of Fab for race 3!;)

[mattlovestbs]

its all shaping up to be a re-run of the 2004 finale...

fastest lap in race 3 :D

[btccbryn]

some really good theorys here there has to be one which is right i just hope wotever way it goes plato is crowned the champion.

[dannybo]

Aren't there leading race points?
Yeah, well spotted.:)

[laurat]

Oh my, cannot believe you've actually sat down to work some theories out...how dedicated is that then eh?
Somehow though, I dont think it'll work out the way we are all hoping...it never does, does it????
Something will happen which will shock us, watch this space...

[Day Char View]

Scenario 4 - Plato announces that he's double booked for a golf week-end and has to cancel the racing. Saturday a jublilant Gio qualifies on pole. Sunday a bunged-up Gio phones in to say he's got a bit of a cold and has to take the day off. AG makes a surprise announcement that all Thruxton points are trebled, Mat Jackson wins all three races and becomes world champion.
Andy Priaulx says Uhhhh?

[CharlieJ]

And I thought I was daft for working out the possibilities...:p

[mattlovestbs]

lets keep it sane.

i'll be happy as long as the title battle is won on the track, not punting each other off.

this season has been a classic in that respect - the amount of respect shown between the 2 title protagonists (Plato and Gio) has been nothing short of magical

[laurat]

lets keep it sane.

i'll be happy as long as the title battle is won on the track, not punting each other off.

this season has been a classic in that respect - the amount of respect shown between the 2 title protagonists (Plato and Gio) has been nothing short of magical
I couldn't agree more chuck...I know it will be a battle, but I do hope it will be done in a professional manner and not a repeat of that awful weekend, which i can't mention as it should be hush hush!

[btccbryn]

i will second that matt last year was a good one but this year again has been even better although every season is amazing to me but i agree with you the fight between gio and plato has put i bet the people watching it at home right on the edge of there seats personally i think for a finally you couldnt ask for more its going to make for a cracking day of raceing.

PLATO 2007 BRITISH TOURING CAR CHAMPION.

[laurat]

i will second that matt last year was a good one but this year again has been even better although every season is amazing to me but i agree with you the fight between gio and plato has put i bet the people watching it at home right on the edge of there seats personally i think for a finally you couldnt ask for more its going to make for a cracking day of raceing.

PLATO 2007 BRITISH TOURING CAR CHAMPION.
Definitely...it's getting closer now.....woo hoo bring the fight on! Just 2 F1 races then the final at Thruxton and then there's only 1 F1 race left after that and then I've just got to sulk on sundays until bext march

[Garyc]

only 13 days now til the race !!! its been too long!

[laurat]

only 13 days now til the race !!! its been too long!
it has felt like quite a while hasn't it? but never mind...we can now say it is NEXT SUNDAY and boy does it feel good...although i have to admit I may well be gutted and shed a tear when it's finished cos I've got to wait til next March/april

[Garyc]

i cant remember such a long break between races ever!!

[btccbryn]

it is a long time but its worth the wait i think not be long now just hope the weather is going to be dry not to botherd about it being cold just no rain.

[laurat]

it is a long time but its worth the wait i think not be long now just hope the weather is going to be dry not to botherd about it being cold just no rain.
i'm bothered about the weather to be honest...it never bothers me when am armchair viewing :p

[bigred]

just occured to me the following
lots of conjecture about 3rd cars etc but wot if seat changed both plato and turner to TDis for thruxton based on tdi performance at brands it was the fastest car in the speed traps so would suit the lap at thruxton

they have just announced a 3rd one in the wtcc monza to help muller and the seat challenge to bmw for the manufacturers title

is there any rules in btcc that would stop them pulling a similar move here ?

[sinclat]

Probably no reason why they couldn't run TDI's for Plato at Thruxton, but surely with his championship weight added to the extra weight for a diesel it would make him so uncompetitive in qualifying that it would ruin his chances?

[btccbryn]

with you on that one sinclat i dont think seat would start messing about using the diesel engine for this very last important meeting but you just dont know do you if the diesel is that little bit faster then like the tesco advert says every little helps.

[achapman]

Thruxton is a Vauxhall circuit. However though, I do believe Plato will pull it out of the bag and win it. :eek:

Come on Gio show us what you can do, prove me wrong..............pleeeeeeeeease

[btccbryn]

yep your dead right there my mate and i think even all you vauxhall fans out there you know in your heart that jason is going to be the 2007 champion.

[laurat]

yep your dead right there my mate and i think even all you vauxhall fans out there you know in your heart that jason is going to be the 2007 champion.
Nice one btccbryn...clever thinking on your behalf and i like it...manipulate these guys...they'll love Jason for it at the end of the day

[btccbryn]

shh dont let them realise what im trying to do lol but no its nice to see that people can be grown up enough to come to the conclusion that at the end of the day the best driver wins simple as that i would love for plato to win but if its a good clean 3 rounds then well may the best man win

[VXRacingChase]

Good luck to them both, I just wonder if JP is due a DNF after 27 consecutive points finishes? Surely he can't a whole season without any bad luck?

[Editor1]

Matt Neal, despite a few scares along the way, completed the 2005 season with points finishes in all 30 rounds...

[btccbryn]

nope his luck will stay the same you can count on that i say a bit nervously lol but i can see were your comeing from and the same in a way could be said for gio lets just hope he doesnt blow his engine up on the first race is that wishfull thinking on my behalf ow i wonder.