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BTCCROCKS
5th Apr 2009, 07:35 PM
Just had a look on the home page, and Johnny Adam has been stripped of his race 3 victory, for the incident with Plato. I think it's very harsh. It was a racing incident, and Plato breaked early
Radisich
5th Apr 2009, 07:37 PM
Maybe, although its a difficult one, and the stewards have obviously checked out the data and made their decision, and also Airwaves decided not to appeal, so make your own minds up. Plato is the winner, so I guess the sex ban is lifted then!!;)
MattS3
5th Apr 2009, 07:43 PM
Surprise surprise.....so if Plato couldn't win in his debut race for Chevrolet, the officals have to hand it to him.
I think it shows how desperate they are to keep Plato in a car for this season.
The championship needs him badly I guess
jonboy1066
5th Apr 2009, 07:43 PM
Seems a bit harsh to me, if anyone should be stripped of any results it's Neal, his moves at Clearways were dirty, deliberate, premeditated and clearly made to gain positions where there's no ability to defend.
Jonny just made a mistake.
Bad Descision IMO
Reidy_fan
5th Apr 2009, 07:43 PM
right it is okay for plato to pull stunts like that, fine for matt neal to barge his way through his career, it was a racing incident, plato braked early, jonny had nowhere to go
Jonny won that race fair and square the CoC and stewards are a joke:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Zedman
5th Apr 2009, 07:43 PM
Was coming on here to congratulate Jonny Adam on his first ever BTCC win and read that news on the home page......:eek:
Even Tim Harvey didnt think the stewards would take any action.Unlucky for Adam but I'm sure the first win wont be too long in coming.
And I suppose Plato deserves the win for controlling that slide alone...
1.9 TDI
5th Apr 2009, 07:49 PM
Surprise surprise.....so if Plato couldn't win in his debut race for Chevrolet, the officals have to hand it to him.
I think it shows how desperate they are to keep Plato in a car for this season.
The championship needs him badly I guess
To be honest, I don't think he needs to be asked to stay. He seems to want to stay here. Harsh decision, I was happy for Plato just getting second, a victory like this is a bit meaningless.
tankman40
5th Apr 2009, 07:52 PM
First round of the season & its starting already (does big sigh !!!)stewards have made there decission ...accept it ..time to move on !!!
Chris05
5th Apr 2009, 07:53 PM
Surprise surprise.....so if Plato couldn't win in his debut race for Chevrolet, the officals have to hand it to him.
I think it shows how desperate they are to keep Plato in a car for this season.
The championship needs him badly I guess
Just because it's Jason Plato, it doesn't mean he should be treated any differently, and this would have been looked at by the stewards as an isolated incident...
jonboy1066
5th Apr 2009, 07:54 PM
Surprise surprise.....so if Plato couldn't win in his debut race for Chevrolet, the officals have to hand it to him.
I think it shows how desperate they are to keep Plato in a car for this season.
The championship needs him badly I guess
Is this a joke? If so It's a very bad one.
I'm sure Plato wouldn't want to win like that either and I'm sure he's pretty happy with his podium.
It's definately a bad call by the stewards but I'm sure it's not a call they made to intentionaly benefit Plato.
Although I guess by your username you're a Neal fan and think there's nothing wrong with his cynical punting wide of anyone who had the ordacity to be in front of him at Clearways.
Chris05
5th Apr 2009, 07:55 PM
Is this a joke? If so It's a very bad one.
I'm sure Plato wouldn't want to win like that either and I'm sure he's pretty happy with his podium.
It's definately a bad call by the stewards but I'm sure it's not a call they made to intentionaly benefit Plato.
Although I guess by your username you're a Neal fan and think there's nothing wrong with his cynical punting wide of anyone who had the ordacity to be in front of him at Clearways.
well said:D
thommo_fan
5th Apr 2009, 07:57 PM
Its harsh in the respect that Matt Neal was punting people out of his way all day to get past but no penalties for Neal, the only difference is that Adam punted Plato alot harder.
nealfan
5th Apr 2009, 07:59 PM
Putting it into prospective. It is harsh for him to have the win. But looking at it in from plato's, he was defending his line, so what if he braked early? The car following should always be ready for that. Well done to Plato's excellent recovery, Reminds me of Yvan Muller saves.
Eunos
5th Apr 2009, 08:15 PM
Dammit, We don't need FIA style Ruling in BTCC thank you :mad:
Dissapointing that Adam lost the win but i guess atleast he gets 2nd ¬.¬
aylesburyape
5th Apr 2009, 08:17 PM
Got back today buzzing about Plato achievement with the second place, to find out what happened just now. As a Plato fan I still wasnt thrilled on hearing the decision, as already said he wouldnt have really wanted to have got the win this way and would have been delighted with second. Will wait to watch the highlights whenever they are on to have an opinion on the incident.
leah_x
5th Apr 2009, 08:24 PM
over the years, i've noticed that when plato dishes out the dirty moves - all is well and it's just racing (apparently) but when someone else tries to do so, they get done, which is why ive come to dislike jason so much, i'm absolutely gutted about adams getting his win taken away from him, he drove a good race... & to me, it seems unfair.
Reidy_fan
5th Apr 2009, 08:30 PM
folks if someone had said to me after the 1st race that Jonny would be on the podium I would have been delighted, so why the france am I disapointed, he still got 2nd place on his debut meeting that is something to be very proud of. The win will come that is for sure, he showed by setting fastest laps he has pace and talent.
get a dram out and toast the Fife Flyer
1.9 TDI
5th Apr 2009, 08:34 PM
The win will come that is for surer
The win has come, he'll be gutted about the decision, but whatever the official ruling is he was at the front when they crossed the line. Yeah he hit Jason quite hard and it allowed him to get past, but seeing the state of Jason's car at the end, I think Jonny would have won either way. So he shouldn't let the decision get him down imo (for all I know it hasn't, but yeahhh)
aylesburyape
5th Apr 2009, 08:35 PM
Plato still gets moaned about when he drives fantastically, unbelievable.
teenymac
5th Apr 2009, 08:47 PM
This wasn't the news I was expecting to see on the home page this evening. Most disappointed about it and if I might say a wee bit annoyed. What happened looked purely like your typical "racing incident". Thought Johnny drove superbly today. Hope he can do it again in three weeks time.
simon1220
5th Apr 2009, 08:50 PM
From where I was sitting it looked 50/50 blame, but throughout the race we were all saying we expected Adam to get penalised, so its no great suprise. A shame, but he still got second and will be a good learning experience for him.
bringbacktheolddays
5th Apr 2009, 08:58 PM
I thought there would be some sort of penalty, it were simlar to the GIO/JORDON incident in 07
thommo_fan
5th Apr 2009, 09:04 PM
I wonder if Adam would still have been penalised if he had of let Plato back through and then repassed him as he clearly had a faster car then Plato.
nealfan
5th Apr 2009, 09:22 PM
I wonder if Adam would still have been penalised if he had of let Plato back through and then repassed him as he clearly had a faster car then Plato.
I think he wouldn't have been penalysed if he had done that. He would have had to wait until next corner to overtake again, but im sure he wouldn't have been penalysed
jason.lynn
5th Apr 2009, 09:34 PM
Well well well.......the seasons only just started and the forum is already Plato and Neal bashing.
To be honest jonny adams move did look little harsh even if it was a mistake. As for matts move its as famous as Rickard rydells sweedish shuffle at thruxton. The driver in front knows whats going to happen so why leave a gap ? Plato didnt and he could not get by.
I think its all the fun of the BTCC and its why i like watching it......
YJohnM
5th Apr 2009, 09:35 PM
May I point out that Adam was only relegated to 2nd place, not stripped.
jonboy1066
5th Apr 2009, 09:42 PM
As for matts move its as famous as Rickard rydells sweedish shuffle at thruxton.
The Rydell Shuffle didn't involve blatent contact, the Matt Neal Punt does
The driver in front knows whats going to happen so why leave a gap ? Plato didnt and he could not get by.
In the case of the Neal punt the drivers weren't leaving gaps, the gaps were being created by Neal pushing under braking and forcing the issue.
Plato has seen the move many many times before and so made sure Neal had lost his momentum in Surtees which then means Neal isn't close enough to make the move work in Clearways.
Eunos
5th Apr 2009, 09:43 PM
Im not bashing either Plato or Neal, Im not even blaming Plato for the Incident, Just a racing accident, I've seen drivers get away with Worse ¬.¬
MattS3
5th Apr 2009, 09:44 PM
Is this a joke? If so It's a very bad one.
I'm sure Plato wouldn't want to win like that either and I'm sure he's pretty happy with his podium.
It's definately a bad call by the stewards but I'm sure it's not a call they made to intentionaly benefit Plato.
Although I guess by your username you're a Neal fan and think there's nothing wrong with his cynical punting wide of anyone who had the ordacity to be in front of him at Clearways.
Nope not a Matt Neal fan at all, I prefer to get behind Team RAC.
My point was that, it seems Plato was desperate for the win today (as he said in his post race interview), as the continuation of his title challenge lay with impressing sponsors.
Now, having been at Brands today and seeing just how split the grid was with Neal, Gio, Turkington, Jordan and Collard leading the real pace, the others were in a pack of their own, who only really came good in the reverse race grid in round 3.
Without Plato (and Jackson) its going to be a fairly straight battle between 3 drivers I reckon, maybe 4.
Watching Chilton drive round in a 2nd rate focus, and Pinkney in a Civic is hardly compelling competition to watch it is?
Its in the stewards/championships best interest to see the competition hot up, so by helping Plato get some much needed PR, it may just help everyone all round.
I actually quite like Plato, but just dont like the meddling that seems so apparent.
simon1220
5th Apr 2009, 09:46 PM
This Topic is NOT about Matt Neal, so go over to that thread if you want to discuss his moves.
As for Adam, just seen the footage on Sky+ and Plato braked early, locked up his brakes, Adam went to go to outside to avoid him but couldn't quick enough and hit him. Platos fault I say, unfair penalty on Adam.
Reidy_fan
5th Apr 2009, 10:07 PM
i am quite sure that jonny will be taking advice from his team mate on how to hit someone and get away with it, after all Mr Collard is a formedr stock car racer.
:D :D :D :D
I said jonny needs to toughen up a bit, certainly did that;) ;)
Chris05
5th Apr 2009, 10:19 PM
I think what people seem to be forgetting is that the stewards were and are doing their job. It was quite a big shunt and at the end of the day it's their decision. As for the comments about Neal, they've probably examined footage of that and decided it was fair. Would be good if a steward could come on here and have their say in the matter to stop all this arguing lol
Tim.Lad
5th Apr 2009, 10:29 PM
Im disappointed for both of them
Plato for being given the win in such a way and Adams for loosing it in such a way.
Adams just got caught out badly with an early braking Plato defending his tight line.
I was happy with the out come before the this but the stewards added 4 seconds to Adams time giving him second place does not seem that bad..
abx1
5th Apr 2009, 10:35 PM
I remember when exactly the same thing happened between mat neal and rob collard and most members of this forum blamed collard.
And look at the grief and penalties he got!
Both were racing incidents IMO! And what i love about the BTCC.
Plato made a truly AWESOME save! so Jonny Adam got of lightly by comparison.
I say well done both drivers, fantastic skills displayed by both.
SpeedRacer
5th Apr 2009, 10:36 PM
I remember when exactly the same thing happened between mat neal and rob collard and most members of this forum blamed collard.
And look at the grief and penalties he got!
Both were racing incidents IMO! And what i love about the BTCC.
Plato made a truly AWESOME save! so Jonny Adam got of lightly by comparison.
I say well done both drivers, fantastic skills displayed by both.
Yes but Plato didnt end up in the barrier and out of the race. Granted Adams might of been a bit over eager but Plato would have been breaking early due to the inside line he was taking.
Pops
5th Apr 2009, 10:38 PM
I think what people seem to be forgetting is that the stewards were and are doing their job. It was quite a big shunt and at the end of the day it's their decision. As for the comments about Neal, they've probably examined footage of that and decided it was fair. Would be good if a steward could come on here and have their say in the matter to stop all this arguing lol
Must agree. The Stewards & Clerk of the Couse have access to the type of information that we don't and I don't think that the decision will have been taken lightly.
I'm not a particular fan of Plato's, but it did look like a mighty big punt to me. I would like to see Adam go on to bigger and better things, but I was unconvinced by his explanation of events in his post-race interview. "Plato braked too early" - didn't look like it to me! It seems to me, Jonny made a mistake and paid the price.
wannahunt
5th Apr 2009, 10:43 PM
I think the decision was probably about right, Plato may have braked early into the corner but that doesn't mean there's justification for Adams hitting him, Adams is a pro racing driver and should have been aware of the possibility of a slower car defending the line agressively.
The impact wasn't just a bit of contact or paint rubbing it was a full on shunt that possibly a lesser driver than Plato would have found terminal and ended up in the barriers. Plato did an excellent job of keeping the car on the road and battling to stay second and lets face it if Plato had been shunted into the barriers there could have been more far reaching sanctions taken against Adam, possibly even disqualification?
abx1
5th Apr 2009, 10:45 PM
The impact wasn't just a bit of contact or paint rubbing it was a full on shunt that possibly a lesser driver than Plato would have found terminal and ended up in the barriers. Plato did an excellent job of keeping the car on the road and battling to stay second and lets face it if Plato had been shunted into the barriers there could have been more far reaching sanctions taken against Adam, possibly even disqualification?
My point exactly.
Brenneke
5th Apr 2009, 11:24 PM
I think it was a fair decision, it instantly reminded me of Collard swiping Neal at the same spot for the same reason - early braking - in race three of 2006, and didn't Collard get DQ'ed for that?
Plato was amazing the way he wrung the neck of that Lacetti when it really wasn't behaving. For me it was inexperience and a bit niave on the part of Adam. Great racing though.
kezbabybabe
5th Apr 2009, 11:35 PM
Both were racing incidents IMO! And what i love about the BTCC.
Plato made a truly AWESOME save! so Jonny Adam got of lightly by comparison.
I say well done both drivers, fantastic skills displayed by both.
Thanks Abx1, that was a good post. :)
It wasn't an over the top penalty (only 4 seconds) which was just over the gap that Adam took on JP over the finish line, so in reality it's hardly anything.
Jonathan Adam showed today that he will be challenging for future podium spots with the pace he has shown.
Congratulations on completing your first touring car weekend. :D
Neilb67
6th Apr 2009, 08:01 AM
Having worked with Jonny for the past 2 years I know he will be gutted at being penalised for what was obviously the early braking of Plato. Anyway its a big lesson learnt. Knowing Jonny aswell Im sure he would have been on the radio apologising even before he got to Druids...
Anyway, I think this result proves the decision of Dave to put his faith in JA and proves all the doubters on this forum wrong that it was done for true talent and not done on a financial basis.
Well done Motorbase and JA...
Tim.Lad
6th Apr 2009, 08:04 AM
I think it was a fair decision, it instantly reminded me of Collard swiping Neal at the same spot for the same reason - early braking - in race three of 2006, and didn't Collard get DQ'ed for that?
Plato was amazing the way he wrung the neck of that Lacetti when it really wasn't behaving. For me it was inexperience and a bit niave on the part of Adam. Great racing though.
Neither did Adams get disqualified he only got a 4 second penalty he still got second place fair if you ask me...
Brenneke
6th Apr 2009, 08:19 AM
Yeah, that's what I mean. The incidents were very similar, except for the outcome in that Neal's Integra was knocked off and needed rebuilt, and Plato saved it.
If Plato hadn't saved that, I think Adam would have been DQ'ed altogether. I agree that it was a fair penalty.
CombeMarshal
6th Apr 2009, 09:19 AM
Calm down everyone, it's the first meeting of the year, you can only compare decisions made this year with other decisions made this year, no one here knows what the Clerks have been instructed to do.
I just hope the keep up this penalty giving, the racing needs tidying up urgently.
soperfan
6th Apr 2009, 09:27 AM
I've just finished watching it from yesterday's coverage and firstly, although I am a Plato fan - what a save :eek: - as previously said, reminiscent of Muller. I also think it was a bit harsh on Adam, but also believe his time will come.
I hope Plato can stay in the series, 'cos a front running Chevvy is good, and Adam will be stronger for this. What a season we've got ahead of us!:D
Jimmyturk61
6th Apr 2009, 09:29 AM
I think it was the right decesion because he hit plato even befor they were turning into the corner and also he hit him that hard his rear wheel was of the ground.So personally i think the stewards made the right decision
Mondeo2
6th Apr 2009, 10:22 AM
As someone said earlier, Jonny should have let Plato have the place back until after Druids. I'm sure he'd have got passed him again. I saw it through the trees from inside Druids and Jonny was carrying alot more speed, probably due to JP's early braking. Got to admit it was an excellent save from JP though.
Reidy_fan
6th Apr 2009, 11:10 AM
here is what was said in the airwaves motorhome later (note banter)
JA, Rab man, need yer advice
RC, sure Jonny, how can one help you
JA, it is jist ye get away aw the time wi nerfin folk, how dae ye dae it ken
RC, well it is just you get your front wheels along the rear of the other cars and just push gently
JA, ahh right bigman, ye jist kinna lean oan the ither bloke ken
RC, yes a gentle push, they expect that, not hard enough to spin, and look innocent
JA, aw man this is so hard ken, aw i had tae dae in seats wis qually oan the front then run awa wi the lead
RC, yes it is a tougher game now but other drivers will show you respect now
JA, but whit happens if sumbudy does it tae me ken
RC, you go and plead your case to the stewards, say things like I braked at the normal time and kept my line. but the best one is, a big boy bullied me sir
JA, sorted bigman, fancy a wee drink o buckie like and a deep fried peh
expect more fiction like this as the season goes on folks:p :p
btccbryn
6th Apr 2009, 12:01 PM
here is what was said in the airwaves motorhome later (note banter)
JA, Rab man, need yer advice
RC, sure Jonny, how can one help you
JA, it is jist ye get away aw the time wi nerfin folk, how dae ye dae it ken
RC, well it is just you get your front wheels along the rear of the other cars and just push gently
JA, ahh right bigman, ye jist kinna lean oan the ither bloke ken
RC, yes a gentle push, they expect that, not hard enough to spin, and look innocent
JA, aw man this is so hard ken, aw i had tae dae in seats wis qually oan the front then run awa wi the lead
RC, yes it is a tougher game now but other drivers will show you respect now
JA, but whit happens if sumbudy does it tae me ken
RC, you go and plead your case to the stewards, say things like I braked at the normal time and kept my line. but the best one is, a big boy bullied me sir
JA, sorted bigman, fancy a wee drink o buckie like and a deep fried peh
expect more fiction like this as the season goes on folks:p :p
Funny stuff there Reidy fan made me laugh reading that dude.
VR6Steve
7th Apr 2009, 02:41 PM
As has been said, I think had Jason not managed to control the car (how amazing was that!) then I imagine the penalty would have been much more harsh.
It was probably the severity of the impact in lifting the rear wheel of the Chevvy up that influenced the Stewards? Although I have to say, the Chevvy looked to be a very stiff car which was quite regularly lifting a wheel round corners.
I guess the point is we will never know what the true result of the race could have been?
A demotion to 2nd has to be far better that a straight DQ.
Jonathan's 1st will will not be too far away I am sure. :D
A pretty good weekend all things considered for Airwaves. ;)
topgear1
7th Apr 2009, 03:42 PM
i dont get this...........plato didnt appeal for the decision and neither did RML......yet the decision has gone plato's way and he's won a race and most people on here are actually acting like it was platos fault he got crashed into.....it was simply a mistake by jonny adam, which plato handled perfectly!!!
( i dont really think any other driver could the car in that way apart from gio)
jason.lynn
7th Apr 2009, 04:52 PM
The Rydell Shuffle didn't involve blatent contact, the Matt Neal Punt does
In the case of the Neal punt the drivers weren't leaving gaps, the gaps were being created by Neal pushing under braking and forcing the issue.
Plato has seen the move many many times before and so made sure Neal had lost his momentum in Surtees which then means Neal isn't close enough to make the move work in Clearways.
So basically you agree then that this move is so easily avoidable we are harping on about nothing as if all the drivers slow him down the move wont work. Problem solved !!!
Freddie
7th Apr 2009, 06:55 PM
As has been said, I think had Jason not managed to control the car (how amazing was that!) then I imagine the penalty would have been much more harsh.
It was probably the severity of the impact in lifting the rear wheel of the Chevvy up that influenced the Stewards? Although I have to say, the Chevvy looked to be a very stiff car which was quite regularly lifting a wheel round corners.
I guess the point is we will never know what the true result of the race could have been?
A demotion to 2nd has to be far better that a straight DQ.
Jonathan's 1st will will not be too far away I am sure. :D
A pretty good weekend all things considered for Airwaves. ;)
I think you have nail and hammer in perfect harmony there.
After what the stewards did to Collard after a much more blatent early braking manouver Jonny was lucky to have not been black flagged. That said I am glad it was only a 4 sec penalty and he kept second place.
He has trod the top step and I'm sure it wont be long before he stays there.
bigred
7th Apr 2009, 07:00 PM
the only curious bit to me is how they came to the 4 second penalty, if he had stayed behind plato rather than taking the place whos to say neal turks et al wouldnt have passed him in a more legitmate way. dont begrudge the him the place at all just curious
abx1
7th Apr 2009, 07:01 PM
i dont get this...........plato didnt appeal for the decision and neither did RML
Actually RML did.
simon1220
7th Apr 2009, 07:02 PM
i dont get this...........plato didnt appeal for the decision and neither did RML......yet the decision has gone plato's way and he's won a race and most people on here are actually acting like it was platos fault he got crashed into.....it was simply a mistake by jonny adam, which plato handled perfectly!!!
( i dont really think any other driver could the car in that way apart from gio)
A quote from Alan Gow:
Jason's team immediately lodged an 'enquiry form' for the incident to be looked into - a team or driver does not need to lodge an official protest for an incident to be looked into, they lodge the form detailing what they wish to be investigated. But even if they didn't lodge an enquiry form, it would have been investigated as major incidents are automatically investigated as a matter of course. Although the teams do not necessarily need to ask for it to be investigated, as they are normally looked into anyway, some do so in order to put on record their enquiry.
So they asked for it to be enquired, which yes isnt an official protest, but then allowed the Clerk of the Course to look into it and decide how they felt best, without the pressure of an official complaint.
topgear1
7th Apr 2009, 08:44 PM
A quote from Alan Gow:
So they asked for it to be enquired, which yes isnt an official protest, but then allowed the Clerk of the Course to look into it and decide how they felt best, without the pressure of an official complaint.
oh right.sorry i hadnt heard about that........accept my apologies:D :D
simon1220
7th Apr 2009, 08:48 PM
oh right.sorry i hadnt heard about that........accept my apologies:D :D
No Problem :) have a look at the Alan Gow thread and he gives a good account of what happens when accidents occur, very informative.
Reidy_fan
7th Apr 2009, 09:01 PM
yeah the coc did a fair job, could have been a black flag easily and tbh If I had been a plato fan or someone had skelped jonny I would probably have been screaming for a black
it is in the past now but will re-iterate my apologies for what i said on sunday night, the old red mist was down. sorry dudes
scurcic5
8th Apr 2009, 01:15 PM
No Problem :) have a look at the Alan Gow thread and he gives a good account of what happens when accidents occur, very informative.
Indeed. Has certainly answered a couple of the questions I had in my mind.
Onwards on upwards... :)
Jackal
9th Apr 2009, 12:59 PM
Intersting reading Adam's comments on the homepage. He's stuck his hands up to it and said in now way was it Plato's doing. Good lad taking it on the chin and moving on.
kezbabybabe
9th Apr 2009, 01:02 PM
“I’d just also like to go on record and say barging into people is not my style. I’ve never been like that in the past – Jason just caught me out. He braked earlier than I’d anticipated. I tried to jink left to miss him but caught the back of his car. I hold up my hands. It’s definitely not Jason’s fault – he has every right to brake where he wants. In hindsight, maybe I should have backed off and let him back past, but that’s not necessarily how you think in the heat of the moment…”
http://www.btcc.net/html/generalnews_detail.php?id=1373
Fair play to Jonny Adam, I can see he's not the type to go around barging people off the track. He looks like a nice fella, and really appreciative of the fans :D
touringlegend
9th Apr 2009, 01:06 PM
Yep.
Not only is he a nice guy - IMO he's one of if not the best Scottish Touring Car driver ever.
Les
9th Apr 2009, 01:08 PM
Not only is he a nice guy - IMO he's one of if not the best Scottish Touring Car driver ever.
yeah right - you are forgetting David Leslie.....
but good luck to him - he did very very well
sonofsalsta
9th Apr 2009, 02:12 PM
here is what was said in the airwaves motorhome later (note banter)
JA, Rab man, need yer advice
RC, sure Jonny, how can one help you
JA, it is jist ye get away aw the time wi nerfin folk, how dae ye dae it ken
RC, well it is just you get your front wheels along the rear of the other cars and just push gently
JA, ahh right bigman, ye jist kinna lean oan the ither bloke ken
RC, yes a gentle push, they expect that, not hard enough to spin, and look innocent
JA, aw man this is so hard ken, aw i had tae dae in seats wis qually oan the front then run awa wi the lead
RC, yes it is a tougher game now but other drivers will show you respect now
JA, but whit happens if sumbudy does it tae me ken
RC, you go and plead your case to the stewards, say things like I braked at the normal time and kept my line. but the best one is, a big boy bullied me sir
JA, sorted bigman, fancy a wee drink o buckie like and a deep fried peh
expect more fiction like this as the season goes on folks:p :p
Jings! Crivens! Didn't Jonnie see the wee doggie on the track!
touringlegend
9th Apr 2009, 03:07 PM
yeah right - you are forgetting David Leslie.....
but good luck to him - he did very very well
I wasn't even taking Leslie into consideration, for me the best to date has been Cleland..
Reidy_fan
9th Apr 2009, 03:42 PM
sorry TL, but i dont think it is time to be comparing Jonny to JC or even David both were great drivers in the works era. Had jonny been about in the 80's or 90's then he would be BTCC champ by now
comparing him to the likes of Shedden then there is no comparison, Jonny has already achieved far more than Shedden in the support races and will go further than he ever will.
Kerry said how nice he comes across, guys like myself, TL and Chris (cpearson) have seen him grow up and he is a very humble bloke, there is no ego with him at all, he is a driver pure and simple who goes out and gives his all. if anyone gets a chance have a chat with the guy.
(right that should be the team baseball cap sorted then;) ;) )
Jackal
9th Apr 2009, 04:41 PM
Surely the best Scottish touring car driver was one J Clark. Different eras though so very difficult to lrelably compare. But Jonathan definitely appears to have the hallmarks of a future great - fast, unruffled and great racecraft.
Pops
9th Apr 2009, 04:47 PM
Jonnys gone up even further in my estimation, having just read his comments.
Eunos
9th Apr 2009, 05:28 PM
Interesting how he feels like Massa.
If anything i would have thought he would feel more like Hamilton after last years Belgian GP ¬.¬
Zedman
9th Apr 2009, 06:35 PM
sorry TL, but i dont think it is time to be comparing Jonny to JC or even David both were great drivers in the works era. Had jonny been about in the 80's or 90's then he would be BTCC champ by now
comparing him to the likes of Shedden then there is no comparison, Jonny has already achieved far more than Shedden in the support races and will go further than he ever will.
Kerry said how nice he comes across, guys like myself, TL and Chris (cpearson) have seen him grow up and he is a very humble bloke, there is no ego with him at all, he is a driver pure and simple who goes out and gives his all. if anyone gets a chance have a chat with the guy.
(right that should be the team baseball cap sorted then;) ;) )
Agree that he is a very down to earth guy.Last year before the Knockhill rounds he was at the local Seat dealership in Glenrothes with his race car and I had a good chat to him about his season and his hopes for the future which at that time was geared towards a possible works Seat drive so its good to see he has got the oppertunity his talent deserves..
bigred
9th Apr 2009, 07:05 PM
Interesting how he feels like Massa.
If anything i would have thought he would feel more like Hamilton after last years Belgian GP ¬.¬
there nah scot alive that could possibly feel like an english man lol
touringlegend
9th Apr 2009, 08:18 PM
Surely the best Scottish touring car driver was one J Clark.
Nah he was the best racing driver ever! ;)
Ok maybe a bit OTT in saying he's the best ever, but time will tell.:cool:
mbailey06
9th Apr 2009, 08:59 PM
Lets just say that there is masses of potential with Mr Adam.
simon1220
9th Apr 2009, 10:43 PM
Whats with BTCC drivers thinking their F1 drivers :D haha! Plato reckoned he was Button with his last minute comeback. Now Adam reckons he's Massa.
tommoore
10th Apr 2009, 04:13 PM
Yep.
Not only is he a nice guy - IMO he's one of if not the best Scottish Touring Car driver ever.
Leslie, Ried, and double champ Cleland.
Thinking back a few years, didn't Neal get a disqualifacation for a similar move with Collard? Although a penalty had to be given, did the stewards take Platos early brake into account, along with Adams relative inexperience, in which case he's probably happy with the podium.
On a different note, with Neal at clearways, cast your minds back to brands feature race in 1998!
Reidy_fan
10th Apr 2009, 04:28 PM
just thinking, he should still get that WTCC drive with Seat at Brands as the prize for winning the SCC last year. if it is a full works diesel drive anyone fancy the wee fella being top Brit:D :D :D saying brit as he will be the only jock there:p :p
eddie282012
11th Apr 2009, 08:27 AM
i'm not the biggest of plato fans but that doesn't mean i don't think he's a great driver he was defending the corner and adam is still a rookie and needs to learn some of the moves at the end of the day the stewarts have the best information on the incident and made there decision. hats off to plato for the great save and well done adam for the great drive now the decision has been made lets just all look forward to thruxton. and as for some saying about fia ruling in btcc you need to look at formula 1 and the btcc again there's no such thing happening in this sport it will always be better to watch and easier to follow than f1
cpearson
11th Apr 2009, 08:18 PM
just thinking, he should still get that WTCC drive with Seat at Brands as the prize for winning the SCC last year. if it is a full works diesel drive anyone fancy the wee fella being top Brit:D :D :D saying brit as he will be the only jock there:p :p
i hope not, i have other plans for him that weekend :D
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