Ginetta G40 to replace current G20 Junior

[mattlovestbs]

Hi everyone,

On the Ginetta website, its been announced that a new Ginetta G40 will replace the current G20 Juniors as from 2010.

The new G40 will feature a 1800 sealed Ford Zetec engine, as well as a number of other new features.

Should be good next year. 26 of them will be made available.

http://www.ginettacars.com/news_details.php?id=164 for the whole article - Hope Ed1 doesnt mind me posting this link :)

[DanB66]

1.8 litre thats a hell of a lot more power than the current ones are putting out. Thats near enough BTCC standard isn't it?

[Reidy_fan]

hmm £10k more expensive than the present junior/G20 and a lot more expensive the Clio, how many are they going to sell unless they make the junior series a 2 class championship for the existing cars and the new cars.

just think that £25k for the car is a bit expensive for an entry to motorsport series comparing it to saxmax and even T-cars werent that expensive

ginetta do have the market to their own as there is only the 2 long circuit series in the uk atm, there has been attempts by the BRSCC to get a series going using Fiesta Zetecs and si's (good ready to run cars fromn £5k) and mazda MX5's but the MSA refused to give them a license for under 16's

[mattlovestbs]

Thats from the Ginetta site... I'm not going to say anything else but id imagine more details will follow in due course

[scott_240192]

well the new g40 looks alot like the g50 just missing the spolier but that is a cgi image so it might have a spolier on the final car but a 1.8 for the juniors that can only end well and i think this is ginetta trying to say to the juniors look move up to the g50's after the juniors

[DanB66]

Is it too much power for 14-17 year olds though?

[Cleland Fan]

I'm sure it can be detuned with engine mapping changes and air restrictors.

[DanB66]

Yeah true, maybe that is what they will do.

[bigred]

look how many kids have struggled this year to complete the whole series and now they are looking to up the anti, doesnt sound like a smart move in the current climate. most of this years competitors seem to be run from daddies or mummies cheque books or their private company's. im kinda of the opion if it aint broke dont fix

[simon1220]

This seems like a stupid idea to me. As bigred said, if it isnt broke, dont fix it!!

[DanB66]

Don't think they will sell many of the 26 available cars if I be honest as much as I would like to see a grid like we have for much of this season can see it struggle to reach ten next season.

[YRC-G50]

I think you'll be suprised. I suspect that an announcement will be made shortly stating G40 SOLD OUT.

I'm not sure why anyone thinks it'll be more expensive than Clio and the extra power will be compensated by the added weight of this car.

I'd wait and see - there's a lot more to this than you'd think:) - I'm sure not everyone's happy about it but then that's life and the current junior is looking very outdated so is not a good sell to potential sponsors.

I think it'll be great!

[Reidy_fan]

i hope you are right YRC, if ginetta can keep the running costs down then it wont be too bad

i know of a well known scottish club racer that is planning on buying one for his 12 year old son and using it for private track days until he is 14 and can hit the series with a good feel for the car and pace

[YRC-G50]

SEE MSN yesterday.:rolleyes:

[simon1220]

Motorsport News have a list of 25 potential applicants for cars, so looks good at the moment :) See how many line up at first round next season though ;)

[Marc W]

I think people have the wrong idea about the power outputs. They aren't going to be anywhere near as powerful as people think, certainly nowhere near touring car levels. Engine size seems to be being mixed up with power.

A road 1.8 Zetec is around 120bhp so with the engines being standard sealed units I'd be surprised if they are much more than this, maybe 140bhp at the most. (A touring car engine is usually 250-300 Bhp.)

[tankman40]

Call me stupid ...don't it defeat the object ..bigger car/engine but same power output ....be like having a porshe with a mini engine :) like someone has already said if it ain't broken why try & fix it .;)

[YRC-G50]

Call me stupid ...don't it defeat the object ..bigger car/engine but same power output ....be like having a porshe with a mini engine :) like someone has already said if it ain't broken why try & fix it .;)

Because there was a demand for a new car!

[Marc W]

Call me stupid ...don't it defeat the object ..bigger car/engine but same power output ....be like having a porshe with a mini engine :) like someone has already said if it ain't broken why try & fix it .;)

It's not the same power output, the current junior car has a 1.4 engine putting out less than 100 Bhp.

[simon1220]

It's not the same power output, the current junior car has a 1.4 engine putting out less than 100 Bhp.

Hence why the commentator says there go go go ... and 10 seconds later your still waiting for them to appear over paddock hill :p :D

[YRC-G50]

The cars are designed to be very similar in 'speed' as the ones now - producing a significantly faster car would be unpopular - they are fast enough for the experience level of these young people who need this training ground.

I hope you don't feel that your enjoyment is sacrificed in some way because they don't have the grunt of the senior formulae?:confused:

[simon1220]

I hope you don't feel that your enjoyment is sacrificed in some way because they don't have the grunt of the senior formulae?:confused:

Not at all in my case, yes they have the least grunt, but produce the best racing :p Simples :D

[SpeedRacer]

I hope you don't feel that your enjoyment is sacrificed in some way because they don't have the grunt of the senior formulae?:confused:

I dont feel that in the slightest. Last year after watching the first rounds on tv I got to see them live at Donny and made a great friend in KC Watson. To me the major difference with the Juniors is getting to see how they progress and learn from race to race which isnt so easy to spot in older drivers.

[scott_240192]

i atill feel this is a bit to much power for them because as i see the g40 as a De-tuned G50 and i think that a 1.8 zetec engine only has bout 140bhp but a fiesta weights about the same as a small house where a ginetta weights about the same as a dog so the cars will be faster than a fiesta

[SpeedRacer]

i atill feel this is a bit to much power for them because as i see the g40 as a De-tuned G50 and i think that a 1.8 zetec engine only has bout 140bhp but a fiesta weights about the same as a small house where a ginetta weights about the same as a dog so the cars will be faster than a fiesta
but the current cars are quicker then a fiesta so its not going to be much different.

[adzerrancoon]

gonna spoil the racing, as the juniors are excellent as they are not too fast, and as has been seen in the clio's the faster they go the less exciting the racing. Why does the whole motorsport community think that faster is better?

[Mondeo2]

i atill feel this is a bit to much power for them because as i see the g40 as a De-tuned G50 and i think that a 1.8 zetec engine only has bout 140bhp but a fiesta weights about the same as a small house where a ginetta weights about the same as a dog so the cars will be faster than a fiesta
Unless it's been tuned, which I doubt, the 1.8 Zetec engine doesn't produce 140 bhp. I think you'll be looking at 125bhp maximum. If the G40 weighs more than the Ginetta Junior car then this will soak up alot of the differential in engine power. From what I've seen of the competitors in the Ginetta Juniors, I think they will be able to handle any extra power with ease.

[YRC-G50]

Again - they aren't going to be significantly faster, if at all. This stuff is under Ginetta's control and they know what the impact on the racing is likely to be - why would they do something to the detriment of their most sucessful championship!?:confused:

G40's is going to happen so I'm in the mind to just embrace it - the cars will look so much better than the existing junior and the competitors seem excited about it so I'm sure it'll be worth all the hassle.

[kezbabybabe]

Having finally read the article in Autosport this week, it doesn't sound like they will be much faster if anything about the same.

The main difference is that the car can be 'unrestricted' for adult championships, which means that the new car has more flexibility.

It also looks good too. :D

[DanB66]

Isn't it also road legal, so could be useful after they have passed the Ginetta Junior age. I am sure the insurance companies would have a field day!

[obsessivecompulsive2]

I'm sure it can be detuned with engine mapping changes and air restrictors.
As Matt quoted in the opening of the thread,it's a sealed 1800 Zetec engine,so it'll be factory standard,about 115bhp tops,i'm sure the juniors can handle that alright! ;)

I love watching the Ginetta juniors as it is,so if this new car comes to BTCC,i'll be even more interested!:p

[scott_240192]

Isn't it also road legal, so could be useful after they have passed the Ginetta Junior age. I am sure the insurance companies would have a field day!
" a Ginetta no sorry we cant insure this car" that would be the converstaion

[Mondeo2]

As Matt quoted in the opening of the thread,it's a sealed 1800 Zetec engine,so it'll be factory standard,about 115bhp tops,i'm sure the juniors can handle that alright! ;)

I love watching the Ginetta juniors as it is,so if this new car comes to BTCC,i'll be even more interested!:p

Ginetta also claim the engine will be restricted for "Juniors" championship and not alot more powerful than the 1.4 G20.

[jordybatts]

I Really Dont see why they have to change it.. Theres quite a few people in Ginetta's Already Struggling with the funding.. Adding another £10,000 onto it.. Its Not Good..

Why do they even need to Increase the power anyway.

My dad was thinking about to get our sponser to give us another 5k for Ginetta's after a season of Saxmax.. But Its another 15k we need now :mad:


'Cash strapped Ingram desperate for funding to get back on-track'

Quoted from a Ginetta Drivers Site.