Scrap the success ballast.

[fabricator]

Come on Toca lets liven up the last three races by doing away with championship/success ballast and give us the fans an all out flag to flag battle between the three drivers in with a shout of winning the title!!!

[kezbabybabe]

Well that would be one way to guarantee that Turkington wins the title...

I think our ballast system works really well... WTCC on the other hand... :rolleyes:

[Sparkz]

I think hell would freeze over if the success ballast system was removed.

[Mad Professor]

Well that would be one way to guarantee that Turkington wins the title...

I think our ballast system works really well... WTCC on the other hand... :rolleyes:

Yes, I agree. If it ain't broke - don't fix it!

[simon1220]

Why?!

The ballast system adds to the excitement!

Admittedly, Turkington cant seem to handle the ballast well in qualifying, but then if hes going to be champion, he has to do it the hard way :p

[kezbabybabe]

Why?!

The ballast system adds to the excitement!

Admittedly, Turkington cant seem to handle the ballast well in qualifying, but then if hes going to be champion, he has to do it the hard way :p
Though Rockingham isn't really that kind to anyone carrying ballast.

[simon1220]

Though Rockingham isn't really that kind to anyone carrying ballast.

True :)

But the long straights on the GP loop might not be that helpful, we shall see :p

[bigred]

turks hasnt done that bad with ballast till the rock he drove with 60kg in wtcc on gp loop in wtcc couple of years ago and took third and 4th only headed by tdi's

[tankman40]

keep it as it ..if it ain't broken why change it ....if they did get rid of it for the final 3 races ...turks will lift the crown ...makes it fairer to keep it in ;)

[turk06]

i cant see the ballast going for the last round, it makes no sense to have it all season long and then remove it at the final meeting, if any of the drivers wanna win the championship they have to accept that the ballast is part of the rules.

[fimenzies]

i like the success ballest. it gives you a chance to see what cars can cope with it and what cars struggle. would be intersting to see the final race without it. think between giovanardi, plato and turkington we'd see some very entertaining driving :D

[Freddie]

On the face of it it sounds like a good idea. Until you realise that if you get pole you have a good chance of winning the first race which gives you a good chance of winning the second. Only the third race would put you lower down the grid. So a poor qualifying would ruin your weekend.
Now if you wanted to lose the ballast and use the Legends format? That would be awsome.

Ballot for the grid of first race. Reverse it for the second. Add the points for first and second race and lowest total gets pole. Winner is driver who overtakes the most in all races.

[Zedman]

turks hasnt done that bad with ballast till the rock he drove with 60kg in wtcc on gp loop in wtcc couple of years ago and took third and 4th only headed by tdi's


I was thinking about this the other day.Does anyone think this will give Team RAC/Turkington a slight advantage over the rest as they will have some experience of setting up a car for the full Brands circuit ??.

[Chris05]

I think the ballast system works really well - although I would love to see 2 qualifying sessions again, 1 for the 1st race, 1 for the 2nd, and then reverse grid for race 3, while still maintaining the current success ballast system. That way we'll almost also be guaranteed a slightly different grid for all 3 races.

[mbailey06]

I was thinking about this the other day.Does anyone think this will give Team RAC/Turkington a slight advantage over the rest as they will have some experience of setting up a car for the full Brands circuit ??.

Not really, as Chevy will also have that knowledge so I don't think that it will be an advantage to be honest - infact I've just realised that for both teams they were using different makes of tyres in the WTCC on the GP loop so it wouldn't help much.

[kezbabybabe]

Wouldn't the set up be fundamentally the same from the opening round, since the circuit still has the indy involved?

[Sparkz]

Wouldn't the set up be fundamentally the same from the opening round, since the circuit still has the indy involved?

Dear god no. :p
The GP loop is considerably different to the indy circuit. High speed, quick dab of the brake corners, elevation changes, bumps on the road.

And of top of that, its a heck of alot more challenging :p

[kezbabybabe]

But it's only the loop, so the basis of the set up (indy circuit) is still going to be needed? :confused:

[obsessivecompulsive2]

But it's only the loop, so the basis of the set up (indy circuit) is still going to be needed? :confused:
I'm sure the teams only need to have minor set up changes to cope with the gp loop,it's a very small part of the Brands circuit and the majority is as you've said the "indy",only the bit that leads onto clearways(forgot what it's called:o )is missed out.

[603270466]

the majority of the gp loop is very quick right handers, with a long straight onto, and off it. theres one tightish left hander before the run to clearways. the cars will be set up on a longer gear ratio to get higher speeds on the loop, and probably more camber to cope with the very fast right handers - its only minor differences, but by all accounts its quite tricky getting the car perfect for the gp loop

[redshoes]

I'm sure the teams only need to have minor set up changes to cope with the gp loop,it's a very small part of the Brands circuit and the majority is as you've said the "indy",only the bit that leads onto clearways(forgot what it's called:o )is missed out.
Hardly a 'very small part', the GP loop is almost as long as the entire Indy circuit.

[Jonathan McLeod]

It's longer! Indy circuit 1.2 miles GP circuit 2.6 miles! Wait sorry, BTCC Net says 2.3 miles. I'm sure it used to be 2.6 :s

[redshoes]

It's longer! Indy circuit 1.2 miles GP circuit 2.6 miles! Wait sorry, BTCC Net says 2.3 miles. I'm sure it used to be 2.6 :s
MSV say 2.3 miles, I'd go with that.

Indy is 1.929km, GP is 3.703km. That makes the GP loop 1.774km plus whatever the length of McLaren that gets missed out.

[bigred]

id say its more an issue of gearing for the cars, much longer straights higher lap speed, then some tweeks to the suspension to save tyres. the gp loop only shares 3 corners if my mental picture is correct paddock hill ,druids and graham hill (or what ever the one at the bottom of the hill after druids).turks should have some early advantage from his outting in wtcc two years ago albeit on the advan tyres

[obsessivecompulsive2]

Hardly a 'very small part', the GP loop is almost as long as the entire Indy circuit.
Yeah,maybe i could have worded that better,it's not exactly small is it.:D

[simon1220]

I think its just safe to assume .... No Team and No Driver has any advantage over the others. The track is different, the set ups are different and no team has done it in their cars, on the right tyres, for years. Its a clean slate and anyone can win :D