Toyota's problems

[fabricator]

I wonder if over the years that Toyota played at F1 they overstretched their budget so that the road car division had to buy sub-standard components to put on their cars i.e throttle pedals?

[stupot1981]

I wonder if over the years that Toyota played at F1 they overstretched their budget so that the road car division had to buy sub-standard components to put on their cars i.e throttle pedals?

I took my Toy Joda back to Toys R' Us yesterday. :D

[Reidy_fan]

the car in front is a Toyota (hardly surprising as the throttle is jammed open):D:D

mate of mine bought a Prius, he said " cant stop, speak to you later":D:D

[scott_240192]

the car in front is a Toyota (hardly surprising as the throttle is jammed open):D:D

mate of mine bought a Prius, he said " cant stop, speak to you later":D:D

ma driving instrutocr went off the nut with me after i pulled out of the way of a toyota

[mondeoman]

the car in front is a Toyota (hardly surprising as the throttle is jammed open):D:D

Brakes don't work and now steering issues. I pity anyone whose bought one, that will damage resale values, who know what they find wrong with them next.:eek:

[Reidy_fan]

if the throttle is jammed open having working brakes wont help much, fit as master cut off at least then you can kill the engine and wear thick boots to stop you fred flintstone style:D

[SpeedRacer]

If you have a toyota buy a parachute. That way when you approach a corner with your thottle stuck open brakes not working and steering ineffective you can stop.

[kezbabybabe]

Aww don't say that, I won't want to get into Projectzip's Aygo this weekend! :eek: I don't think they are effected though. ;)

[SpeedRacer]

Aww don't say that, I won't want to get into Projectzip's Aygo this weekend! :eek: I don't think they are effected though. ;)
From the way things are going its only a matter of time im afraid Kez

[mondeoman]

Aww don't say that, I won't want to get into Projectzip's Aygo this weekend! :eek: I don't think they are effected though. ;)

I think you'll find they are effected. The Peugeot & Citroens that are built on the same chassis, share the same throttle components and they are planning recalls too.

[Eunos]

Toyota Rav4 was on my Consideration List for next Car... Think i'll tick that one off ;)

Parents use to own a Toyota Previa, Probably a good thing we don't anymore :D

[kezbabybabe]

From the way things are going its only a matter of time im afraid Kez


I think you'll find they are effected. The Peugeot & Citroens that are built on the same chassis, share the same throttle components and they are planning recalls too.

He'll be hearing in a few weeks time if it will be or not. :cool:

[mondeoman]

He'll be hearing in a few weeks time if it will be or not. :cool:
A few weeks:eek:, I'd want to know last week. A lawyer has been saying Toyota Dealers should be collecting the cars, not expecting owners to drive them. If you have an accident "knowingly" driving a deffective car and the defect is the cause of the accident, the driver will be liable for prosecution. Basically the car won't be roadworthy. Toyota's reactions to this seem to be as slow as their F1 cars.

[scott_240192]

my aunt and unlce and cousin have two of the models affected so they do

[mattlovestbs]

I wish people wouldn't go on about Toyota problems, i'm learning to drive in one

[SpeedRacer]

I wish people wouldn't go on about Toyota problems, i'm learning to drive in one

Good luck lol. The replacement part for the throttle thing is tiny. Hardly imaginable that something that small has basically killed the brand.

[mattlovestbs]

Good luck lol. The replacement part for the throttle thing is tiny. Hardly imaginable that something that small has basically killed the brand.

Im learning in a Yaris...

[kezbabybabe]

They'll bounce back. :)

[lukeozade0405]

It would cirtainly be a lesson u'd never forget if it did happen haha:D

[mondeoman]

Good luck lol. The replacement part for the throttle thing is tiny. Hardly imaginable that something that small has basically killed the brand.
Not just the brand either apparently.:(
Toyota has been having reliability problems for about 18 months or so in America. These aren't the first recalls they have had in that time, but probably not as serious.

[stupot1981]

I were stood at the Bus stop Ealier and my mate Shot passed, he shouted out the window he couldn't stop as he were in his Toyota :p

[CharlieJ]

I don't get the panic. What's the matter with people? :confused:
If the throttle sticks open surely it's obvious............ get it out of gear, brake to a stop, switch off the engine.
It happened to me many years ago in a Triumph Spitfire and I had the car stopped within ten seconds - no drama - no fuss. :)

[SpeedRacer]

The car in front was a Toyota. Now its just a dot on the horizon.

[mondeoman]

I don't get the panic. What's the matter with people? :confused:
If the throttle sticks open surely it's obvious............ get it out of gear, brake to a stop, switch off the engine.
It happened to me many years ago in a Triumph Spitfire and I had the car stopped within ten seconds - no drama - no fuss. :)

It's not just a case of the throttle sticking open, the car is continuing to accelerate, also if the brakes aren't working properly you're going to have a hard job braking, even if you have managed to knock the car out of gear.
The reason for the panic is the cars are not roadworthy and people have died or at the very least been injured as a result of these malfunctions. Toyota have already ceased production of two models in Japan, because of these dangerous defects.

[CharlieJ]

It's not just a case of the throttle sticking open, the car is continuing to accelerate, also if the brakes aren't working properly you're going to have a hard job braking, even if you have managed to knock the car out of gear.
The reason for the panic is the cars are not roadworthy and people have died or at the very least been injured as a result of these malfunctions. Toyota have already ceased production of two models in Japan, because of these dangerous defects.
Surely the brake problem is just on the Prius? The recall on the others is only for the throttle pedal. I'd guess it's more of a problem on automatics, therefore more serious in America.

[mondeoman]

Surely the brake problem is just on the Prius? The recall on the others is only for the throttle pedal. I'd guess it's more of a problem on automatics, therefore more serious in America.
The Prius has the same accelerator set up. So they have two possible defects as do the Camry with steering and accelerator defects.
I've seen several BTCC drivers victims of stuck throttles and they have resulted in crashes. They are professional drivers so if they find it hard to counteract a stuck throttle what chance does an average motorist have when taken by suprise.

[redshoes]

A stuck throttle in a race car is a very different prospect to it happening on a public road. On a motorway or A-road you are not suddenly going to be faced with Paddock Hill bend, roads tend to be straighter with more space to move around. Also it's much harder to knock a sequential gearbox into neutral than it is with a conventional 'box.

Once you've taken the car out of gear or pushed the clutch the car will not continue to accelerate. Granted that may be slightly hard in an automatic. From there it's not that much different to having to do an emergency stop.

Given there are potentially millions of cars affected over a period of several years yet there has been no more than a few dozen recorded accidents, it all seems a big fuss over very little.

[simon1220]

A stuck throttle in a race car is a very different prospect to it happening on a public road. On a motorway or A-road .

But what happens if its not on a motorway, if it happens on say a 60mph limit road with bends like in my neck of the woods?

[mondeoman]

Given there are potentially millions of cars affected over a period of several years yet there has been no more than a few dozen recorded accidents, it all seems a big fuss over very little.
Doesn't matter how many recorded accidents there have been, the cars are still potentially dangerous and unroadworthy.

[redshoes]

Every car in the world is potentially dangerous.

Every year people hurt themselves by slipping in the shower, but that doesn't mean we should all stop washing.

[simon1220]

Every year people hurt themselves by slipping in the shower, but that doesn't mean we should all stop washing.

WHAT?! :eek:

im never cleaning again ... not risking my life just to smell nice :confused:

:p

[mondeoman]

Every car in the world is potentially dangerous.

Every year people hurt themselves by slipping in the shower, but that doesn't mean we should all stop washing.

No, every car has the potential to be dangerous, there is a difference. Car manufacturers are under obligation to build safe cars. Toyota it would appear have not been doing so. At least Toyota have responded to the problem. Sometimes manufacturers refuse to recognise problems. I remember when Citroen launched the Xantia. Owners were claiming the cars handbrakes didn't work properly. The handbrakes once applied to warm or hot discs once cooled didn't self adjust properly. Cars were freewheeling off driveways into roads etc. Fordtunately I don't think there were any serious accidents, but Citroen refused to recognise the problem for a long time.

[redshoes]

What's the difference between "has the potential to be dangerous" and "is potentially dangerous" ?

[kezbabybabe]

At the end of the day, Toyota are dealing with the issue with the owners of the cars. :)

[mondeoman]

What's the difference between "has the potential to be dangerous" and "is potentially dangerous" ?
"is potentially dangerous" would imply that cars are built unsafe or with faults, i.e not the drivers fault
"has the potential to be dangerous" would imply that the cars are safe unless driven wrecklessy or dangerously, i.e the drivers fault.

I see Toyota have had to recall even more cars in America now, due to problems with prop shafts on some of their 4wd trucks.

They maybe fixing the cars but alot of people are losing confidence in them now.

[redshoes]

I see Toyota have had to recall even more cars in America now, due to problems with prop shafts on some of their 4wd trucks.
Yet more ill-informed media hysteria. Hardly a week goes by without a vehicle manufacturer issuing a recall notice, most go largely unnoticed.

Since the US introduced the Motor Vehicle Safety Act in 1996 over 390 million vehicles have been recalled in the USA alone. That's best part of 10 million per year! Toyota's latest recall of about 8000 trucks is barely a blip.

[mondeoman]

Yet more ill-informed media hysteria. Hardly a week goes by without a vehicle manufacturer issuing a recall notice, most go largely unnoticed.

Since the US introduced the Motor Vehicle Safety Act in 1996 over 390 million vehicles have been recalled in the USA alone. That's best part of 10 million per year! Toyota's latest recall of about 8000 trucks is barely a blip.

Granted all manufacturers have recalls, but it's not media hysteria but fact that Toyota is suffering from more seperate recalls than any other manufacturer in the USA. That's not numbers of cars effected that is seperate recalls for different defects. Toyota have let themselves down badly.

[SpeedRacer]

Yet more ill-informed media hysteria. Hardly a week goes by without a vehicle manufacturer issuing a recall notice, most go largely unnoticed.

Since the US introduced the Motor Vehicle Safety Act in 1996 over 390 million vehicles have been recalled in the USA alone. That's best part of 10 million per year! Toyota's latest recall of about 8000 trucks is barely a blip.

It maybe ill informed hype but how many other companies have had to recall so many different models in such a short amount of time? If it was only one or two models it would be different but this seems to be affecting there whole range. I now think they were very right to pull out of F1 as they are going to need every penny to try and rebuild the confidence people had in them.

[mondeoman]

It maybe ill informed hype but how many other companies have had to recall so many different models in such a short amount of time? If it was only one or two models it would be different but this seems to be affecting there whole range. I now think they were very right to pull out of F1 as they are going to need every penny to try and rebuild the confidence people had in them.

In America, Toyota were offering a $1,000 bonus discount to returning customers. They are now going to offer $2,000 and are considering other incentives too. Problem is if it was just one fault you could take a chance but new faults are cropping up all the time, some vehicles possibly being effected by more than one fault. I think it would take more than a financial reward to change peoples minds. All the hype has only just started within the last couple of weeks yet Toyota's US sales dropped 16% in January whilst Ford and GM sales were up and that is in a market where overall car sales had increased 6%.

[kezbabybabe]

It does have an immediate impact on sales/confidence, though I'm sure in a couple of years we'll forget that this happened...

[Marc W]

If you look on the VOSA website you can find details of every UK Recall since 1992. Many manufacturers have a much higher total then Toyota...

[mondeoman]

If you look on the VOSA website you can find details of every UK Recall since 1992. Many manufacturers have a much higher total then Toyota...

But the motoring world always would have it that Toyota were good, well built, reliable cars and put them on a pedestal. For what ever reason, that pedestal has been crumbling and has now fallen.

[redshoes]

It maybe ill informed hype but how many other companies have had to recall so many different models in such a short amount of time? If it was only one or two models it would be different but this seems to be affecting there whole range.
It's because they are using common components, the same as most manufacturers do. The throttle problems show as multiple recalls as each model is listed separately when in fact it's just the same component at fault.

As I've said before, it it wasn't for the recent press attention the Prius and truck issues wouldn't have even raised an eyebrow.

[stupot1981]

Most of these componets are cheapley made in countrys like China using cheap labour hence poor reliablity on alot of cars, mind you, you can still see the difference in build quality say Between a Solid Volkswagon or SEAT compared to a Taky poor Built Vauxhall , but I suppose you pay for what you get nowadays.