WRC is naff

[Jackal]

WRC just got even naffer. Did anyone read in Motorsport News this week that on the Jordan rally some drivers deliberately incurred time penalties to improve their team leaders chances? I thought the FIA outlawed team tactics in F1 so why not their WRC? It's an absolute joke, its ugly to watch and leaves fans feeling they are watching a rigged sport and that their intelligence is being insulted. At least the drivers have come out against what they are being instructed to do.

And don't even get me started on Dave's coverage of the sport. Still miles behind what we got some 20 years ago from BHP and Grandstand. The only thing Dave's coverage does seem to do is show how few people now actually go and watch this once great sport.

Think I'll stick to the British historic rally championships. Great cars on great stages with no gimmicks. The sport as it should be.

[stupot1981]

WRC just got even naffer. Did anyone read in Motorsport News this week that on the Jordan rally some drivers deliberately incurred time penalties to improve their team leaders chances? I thought the FIA outlawed team tactics in F1 so why not their WRC? It's an absolute joke, its ugly to watch and leaves fans feeling they are watching a rigged sport and that their intelligence is being insulted. At least the drivers have come out against what they are being instructed to do.

And don't even get me started on Dave's coverage of the sport. Still miles behind what we got some 20 years ago from BHP and Grandstand. The only thing Dave's coverage does seem to do is show how few people now actually go and watch this once great sport.

Think I'll stick to the British historic rally championships. Great cars on great stages with no gimmicks. The sport as it should be.

The BTCC was Naff in 2001 but I still watched it, everything goes through a rough time and its not all a bed of roses, just keep watching and it will come good again, its like supporting your football team through thick and thin.

[SpeedRacer]

Oh wait wouldnt be Citroen would it. They did it in the first rally of the year why is it a shock they have repeated it. Citroen and Loeb have killed the WRC.

[simon1220]

The BTCC was Naff in 2001 but I still watched it, everything goes through a rough time and its not all a bed of roses, just keep watching and it will come good again, its like supporting your football team through thick and thin.

BTCC never got this naff.

I gave up in the WRC a couple of years ago and feel quite fortunate seeing how it is now. Keep half an eye on it in Motorsport News/Autosport and its a joke, only 2/3 'world class' drivers left and overall a lack of competition, full of team orders and predictability.

[stupot1981]

BTCC never got this naff.

I gave up in the WRC a couple of years ago and feel quite fortunate seeing how it is now. Keep half an eye on it in Motorsport News/Autosport and its a joke, only 2/3 'world class' drivers left and overall a lack of competition, full of team orders and predictability.

All change next year though, new rules, new cars, new drivers, not long to wait, and after watching the Gloryrious supertouring years believe me the BTCC was Naff in 2001.

[simon1220]

All change next year though, new rules, new cars, new drivers, not long to wait, and after watching the Gloryrious supertouring years believe me the BTCC was Naff in 2001.

I still found BTCC exciting in 2001 though. I havent found WRC exciting in the slightest for 2/3 years now though, so thats the difference for ME.

IRC has taken over in my book, better cars and better competition at the moment.

[Sparkz]

and after watching the Gloryrious supertouring years believe me the BTCC was Naff in 2001.

That's your opinion, not everyone elses. ;)

[stupot1981]

That's your opinion, not everyone elses. ;)

You don't say do you :rolleyes:

[stupot1981]

I havent found WRC exciting in the slightest for 2/3 years now though, so thats the difference for ME.

Last year was brilliant, it went down to the wire in Wales, ok Loeb won by a point, but it was still a great even to be at.

[simon1220]

Last year was brilliant, it went down to the wire in Wales, ok Loeb won by a point, but it was still a great even to be at.

Thats your opinion. My opinion ... as stated above ... is that WRC hsasnt been exciting in the slightest for at least 2/3 years now

[stupot1981]

Thats your opinion. My opinion ... as stated above ... is that WRC hsasnt been exciting in the slightest for at least 2/3 years now

And im saying I still watch it, cause when it comes good again, and it will, everyone will jump on the bandwagon, thats why people in this country support Man utd cause its easy to do so, Fans and people are Very fickle today.

[simon1220]

And im saying I still watch it, cause when it comes good again, and it will, everyone will jump on the bandwagon, thats why people in this country support Man utd cause its easy to do so, Fans and people are Very fickle today.

Not really. In the end, if WRC is rubbish, like it is at the moment, people will turn away from it. If they make the effort to improve it and it gets better, surely they want people to go back to it and watch it. Its not people being fickle, its just that people want to spend there time and money to be entertained.

[stupot1981]

Not really. In the end, if WRC is rubbish, like it is at the moment, people will turn away from it. If they make the effort to improve it and it gets better, surely they want people to go back to it and watch it. Its not people being fickle, its just that people want to spend there time and money to be entertained.

Like I said though its Changing next year to S2000 regs with turbocharged engines with a rumour of 6 manufactures entering,

Heres a situation, Alan Gow decides he wants to go back to Oz and hands over the power to someone else and in a couple of years time the BTCC suffers and ends up like the WRC is now. What would you amongest others on this forum do? (this is an example, not likely to happen)
This is why I don't put all my eggs in one basket and follow a variity of Disaplines and other sports.

[team freebie]

WRC has never fully returned to the glory days with Group B. Audi Sport Quattro, Lancia Delta, Pug 205, Metro 6R4, Manta 400, Ford RS200 Renault 5 turbo2 etc etc. Those were the days lots of manufacturers and so many top class drivers. There was still a big field of other cars in the lower classes. I must be getting old remembering the good old days.
Anyone else remember watching the Fiat 131 mirafiori blasting along single track roads?:cool:

[simon1220]

Heres a situation, Alan Gow decides he wants to go back to Oz and hands over the power to someone else and in a couple of years time the BTCC suffers and ends up like the WRC is now. What would you amongest others on this forum do? (this is an example, not likely to happen)
This is why I don't put all my eggs in one basket and follow a variity of Disaplines and other sports.

Obviously as the diehard fans we would stick by it. Like the diehard WRC fans have stuck with that series. But its the other fans, the "fickle" ones as you call them, that wouldnt stick with it, but they are well within there rights to do so.

[stupot1981]

Obviously as the diehard fans we would stick by it. Like the diehard WRC fans have stuck with that series. But its the other fans, the "fickle" ones as you call them, that wouldnt stick with it, but they are well within there rights to do so.

They are within there rights to do so, thats why they are Fickle or Fair weather supporters if you like.
Same applys in football they support who ever wins the Prem I.e the Skysports armchair fan.

[Eunos]

Their what we call Glory Hunters :cool:

In the 90's back in the days off Colin Mcrae and Tommi Makkinen, Rallying was Awesome..

It's abit naff now But im quietly Confident it will Pick up, I think even the FIA themselves have admitted it's abit Meh atm.

[BTCCKID08]

It's not the tactics that are the problem (Last time we had these running order rules, we had the same problems), it's the fact that there is just no action. Only Ford and Citroen have works teams, to supplement the WRC entry list, they run external teams (Your Stobarts, Citroen Juniors etc etc), only a few drivers are capable of winning and you are able to predict a winner pretty much before the event has begun. 5 years ago, we had 6 works teams (Ford, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Citroen, Peugeot, Skoda). Hell even 2 years ago we had 4! There is no guarantee that the S2000T rules will make any difference to the show, the current S2000 cars aren't exactly stimulating! Today's WRC is just a showcase for the years of mismanagement that it suffered during the 00's.

[shery1992]

Like I said though its Changing next year to S2000 regs with turbocharged engines with a rumour of 6 manufactures entering,

Heres a situation, Alan Gow decides he wants to go back to Oz and hands over the power to someone else and in a couple of years time the BTCC suffers and ends up like the WRC is now. What would you amongest others on this forum do? (this is an example, not likely to happen)
This is why I don't put all my eggs in one basket and follow a variity of Disaplines and other sports.

6 manufacturers???? where did you get that from??

[Wookieboy]

Not sure about six manufacturers. But Mini will be entering as works team next year with the Crossover, the car being run by Prodrive and Kris Meeke rumoured to have already signed up for one of the seats. VW have been rumoured to be possibly entering with either the Scirocco or new shape Polo, Abarth might be plotting a step up from the IRC in 2012 and Dave Richards has said that he believes there might be another couple contemplating joining.

[stupot1981]

6 manufacturers???? where did you get that from??

Motorsport news some time ago, in the Rally Section.

[BTCCKID08]

Six Manufacturers...
That is assuming Skoda, Peugeot, Proton etc all confim they are building a 1.6T engine.
Ford, Citroen, Prodrive/Mini (When confirmed) have..

[stupot1981]

No tatics yesterday as both Ford and Citreon have agreed not to apply tactics anymore and come come underfire from the FIA if they do.

[BTCCKID08]

Well at least Turkey was a much better event! No silly poker tactics, and proof (if it was needed) that Sebastien Loeb doesn't need his team to manipulate the running order to win!

[stupot1981]

Well at least Turkey was a much better event! No silly poker tactics, and proof (if it was needed) that Sebastien Loeb doesn't need his team to manipulate the running order to win!

Was a good rally, made up for the other week.

[stupot1981]

Another good rally, just shows they don't need to use tactics. :cool:

[BTCCKID08]

Another good rally, just shows they don't need to use tactics. :cool:

Strange event, Loeb crashes, Loeb fits another Turbo on Day 2, Loeb crashes again, Latvala leaves the car in one bit, and doesn't win a stage. Next thing, Matt Wilson will be champion and Ken Block will be driving a hovercraft!
Most interesting event in a while though.